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they're all excited about that it's true

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where's

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the subur somewhere

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inele we have a friend of mine that's

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got one that lives right over Fish Lake

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in South okay and then another guy lives

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on Rome Road so I'm going take some logs

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to him come

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up I'm glad you're here there's chairs

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what's

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that yeah the first half didn't look

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good they were playing with them a

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little I don't

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know well Vikings are a good team but I

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just didn't like to play call lions were

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doing just

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like frustrating

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it had me walking around quite a bit

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like I want

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that red chees aren't the best Chuck I

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sent an email out to the whole Township

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saying you were to be here that's why we

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got a good crowd okay they go

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Chuck yep Chuck's going to be

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here there

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that David's not here

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all right cool that's all right like

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it you doing

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your think

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maybe unless he told not to

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start

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it there

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too okay uh we'll get

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started and I'll call the meeting to

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order stand for the uh Pledge of

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Allegiance

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please Al to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the Republic

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for it stands one nation God indivisible

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with liy and justice for

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all Shar this with you can have one we

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have a roll

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call Greg CS here Jennifer Eden here

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Sarah dolman Jersey here Herman Ferguson

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here Dean H here Chris Reta here Pam

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offler

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here all right

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uh before I ask for approval of the

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agenda I I have a couple questions

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Chuck

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um obviously uh pertaining to number one

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business new business number

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one

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uh you you wrote the censor I drafted

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them you drafted the sensor and uh that

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was with the help of uh a board member

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or one

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two um I have talked to more than one

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trustee officer about that they did not

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help draft it they asked me to draft

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something that said a c and d

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okay all righty

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um yeah I just I wondered cuz some some

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of the uh some of the verbiage in there

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it like

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references it suggests uh you have

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subtle references of my state of mind

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you know intention of intimidating and

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characterization I just wondered how you

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knew what I was thinking anyway uh

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moving on so uh you drafted the the

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sensor and then uh the board member the

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board member submits it to the clerk is

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that

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correct I imagine that's how for and

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they put it on the the agenda is that

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how it goes okay

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so Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday

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that's that's okay that's within the law

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or point of order we're discussing an

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agenda item before uh yeah we're we're

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discussing whether it even belongs on

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the agenda okay

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so and I need to understand this I'm

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sorry

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so the sensor is is is on the agenda all

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right

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so if a resident

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if if I as a

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supervisor regarding a charge of

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nonfeasance I could charge a board

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member with

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non-fe there is no law in Michigan that

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allows

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charge or oh a board

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member can charge another board member

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with nonent there's no law michig that

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says any board member can charge any

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other board member or the board itself

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charge a member of the board with any of

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those the only law that there is when it

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comes to that type of thing is the board

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charging PC

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members so if you're looking at the

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centure and you're trying to think is

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this a charge of Mal fees mises or nones

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the answer is it is not

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the penalty for those three things with

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the board to the PC is the potential for

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removal there is no right there is no

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way to do that at the board

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home can a

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resident charge a board member with

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non-fe residents can't do that

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either okay

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all right uh any other questions on the

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agenda I guess yeah I have a some

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statement about and for some changes if

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I could if I

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may okay um I'd like the resolutions for

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senture removed from the agenda for the

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following reasons uh trusty dolman

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Jersey who wrote the resolutions of

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censure with the help of the the

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attorney as he's mentioned um says the

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following the board has reviewed the

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actions and decisions made by the

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supervisor trustee there's three of them

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as you can see in the

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packet um in the execution of his duties

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and found discrepancies that warant

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formal

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censure uh no the board has not reviewed

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this nor was it presented to all the

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board members for discussion and opinion

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hasn't been here yet we haven't even had

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a meeting on it yet so the board has not

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done

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that these resolutions are just the same

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uh just the same as the PC nonfeasance

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letters that went

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out board hasn't talked to about them

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yet board hasn't discussed them I don't

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see the difference then not why they're

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on the agend I'm talking please thank

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you I'm making a statement please don't

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interrupt

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uh so should we just charge trusty

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dolman jersey with the same cental

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resolution as she's charging us these

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resolutions were not only published in

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the meeting packet for today's meeting

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agreed but trusty dolman Jersey found it

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necessary to appear on local radio

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programs to discuss the particulars of

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these partic these uh uh items and and

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this uh meeting packet and these uh

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resolutions for censure on local radio

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and uh before the even review took place

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I'm I'm not sure why you know why why is

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that uh something that's in the best

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interest of uh of uh things it's it's

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very transparent of course right really

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really Ultra transparent but you'd think

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it'd be appropriate to talk about those

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things before you go on local radio or

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any kind of news or other things so but

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that's uh this is certainly an issue

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with the VAR standards and ex ethics

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that she is accusing us with that sense

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so uh and along those lines of standards

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and ethics because clerk mowler in the

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past has disparaged myself and my wife

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to Residents and Township employees and

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elected officials should we bring

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censored charges against her based on

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that too based on ethical issues I don't

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think so that doesn't serve the

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community are there other charges for

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other things going on in the township

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that would not also comply with

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standards and ethics issues

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such as maybe misuse of Township

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equipment or anything that else that we

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should consider in the same line as

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these resolutions are we going to get

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into a battle or a war of this this

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isn't what the this is not what the

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people voted for in this

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Township I think these uh resolutions

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are complete overreaction to the

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situation and not the way to Foster

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communication and growth and things of

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that

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nature the voters elected us to work

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together will that be perfect every time

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no no we don't live in a perfect world

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of course it won't be perfect but to go

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to this extreme when no laws were

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violated and no evidence against

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standards and ethics violations were

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included show that working together is

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not or may not be the agenda of trusty

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dolman Jersey and any of those who

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support this

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effort so with regard to the Planning

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Commission

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bylaws the Planning Commission bylaws

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were followed section

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412b States members shall be removed by

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the Township board for misfeasance

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malfeasance or nonfeasance in office

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upon written charges and after a public

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hearing bylaws are available on our

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website by the way for anybody who wants

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them it's right there uh this is also

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consist the the language that's used in

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the uh in the Michigan planning and

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enablement act as

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well the uh written charges were

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presented by the township supervisor

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Greg CS including a notice to appear

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before the Board of Trustees for

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review not for

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removal at no time were the charges

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represented as removal in themselves the

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charges were be followed

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up by the appearance of each planning

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commissioner in front of the board to

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answer those charges and only afterward

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the Board of Trustees would vote for or

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against the commissioner's

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removal the board has to

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vote the board board has to vote for the

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appointment and the board has to point

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uh vote for the approval just to be very

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clear to those who are interested there

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seems to be really Confusion by some of

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the members of the board that section

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412b of the PC bylaws says that the

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board trustees must approve the charges

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in addition to all the steps leading up

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to a vote or

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dismissal the Michigan planning uh but

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they do

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not the Michigan planning enabling act

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act 33 of 20 uh 2008 section

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12538 159 says the legislative body May

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remove a member of the by the way the

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board we guys are the legislative body

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if you remember from our training

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the legislative body May remove a member

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of the Planning Commission for

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misfeasance malfeasant or nonfeasance in

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office upon written charges and after

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public hearing which is what the PC

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bylaw States that's what it's reflected

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however the law is

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silent on how the charges are to be

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delivered by whom the charges are to be

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delivered and whether the Township Board

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must approve the charges prior to their

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delivery just says the board has to

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approve it the board is respons

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responsible to approve this but the

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mechanism to deliver them is not

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specified it's

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silent because both the law and the

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bylaws are silent on the issue there was

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no

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violation there was no effort to remove

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any planning Commissioners with this

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charge of nonfeasance it's designed to

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just simply point out that the work was

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not being

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done regarding the charge of nonfeasance

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the initial charge based on attendance

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is very serious but it seems to be

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considered not a big deal by

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Commissioners some residents some board

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members attendance most of me most

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members will miss meetings at time from

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time to time I don't think anybody uh qu

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is is in a quandry about that and it's

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understandable when a member is absent

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they're not participating in the

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important decisions that needed to craft

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the ordinances and plans that govern

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this Township because these votes affect

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the law that the township residents must

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follow residents deserve the full

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attention of each and every commissioner

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to be there as much as possible to come

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and to come prepared for each

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meeting that's exactly what's expected

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of this

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board might sound very hopefully it

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sounds very familiar an example of this

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would be commissioner wood uh during the

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public comments at a recent board

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meeting planning commissioner Bill wood

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stood up and commented that he had a

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deal with the last board uh that he

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didn't have to attend all the meetings

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because the nature of his

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job we were all here many of you were

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here

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too well we need to investigate such

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deals and close them out because if

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we're going to allow these kind of uh

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deals to take place we're automatically

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handicapping the Planning Commission

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from having an effective full Planning

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Commission and discussions with regard

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to ordinances laws and things of that

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nature

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instead commissioner wood was elected as

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the PC secretary which is very

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interesting due to the fact that his

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attendance was only 50% based on public

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records have held meetings since the uh

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in

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2024 through

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November so how do how are you voted

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secr now voting a secretary is not a

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problem that's what that's what the

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commission wanted but how do you perform

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the duties of secretary when you're not

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there that much this is a problem

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it's a symptom there may be valid

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reasons for a commissioner that can a

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commissioner cannot attend but if the

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attendant drops below some reasonable

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amount then it would be long and if it's

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longterm like something that's ongoing

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uh and so on and so forth like the case

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of commissioner wood because his job was

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affected uh or health issues or family

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issues then the responsibil thing to do

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is to resign and allow the appointment

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of another commissioner so that we don't

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handicap the planning commission

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especially during important times like

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we just went through with the renewable

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energy solar wind battery writing of the

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master

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plan this is absolutely a critical time

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in this

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Township was this related to I'm not

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finished yet I'm sorry I apologize for

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that hold

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on so it is in the best interest of the

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Planning Commission and it's the best

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interest of the township to have ever

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body present but that's not you know so

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attendance is important it's really

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important don't minimize it I'm

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explaining the reasons why these should

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be removed these uh um these resolutions

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for

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censure so it's on the agenda for

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discussion Chris it's not it's not going

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to be discussed if we can remove them

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I'm explaining which I have a right to

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do so please don't interrupt me

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again so other nonfeasance types of

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things that have been going on that I've

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observed that the Planning Commission

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has put us at legal cost and risk they

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received an application for special land

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use for caregiver operation under the

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mmma the Michigan medical marijuana act

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initiate a law one of 2008 or mmma uh

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the application was denied the PC was

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taken up uh the P we're getting off

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topic here we're supposed to be

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approving or not approving the agenda

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thank you and we don't need a 22 minute

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spe it is it's very important it isn't

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we need to make a vote on approving or

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not approving let them approve it we let

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so there's lots of other examples of

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non- fees why a motion to approve the

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agenda I second through motion all in

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favor say I I all in

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oh sorry for jumping the n

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that's all

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right well I guess I'll speak because um

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well F first we need to go to the

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approval of the consent

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agenda with the regular board meeting

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minutes for December 17 2024 the clerk's

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wenson bills January 2nd

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2025 so move support

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so next we move on to Communications

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number one Planning Commission approved

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meeting minutes December 10

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20124 number two Planning Commission

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meeting synopsis December 18

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2024 so in Reading um the Planning

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Commission approved meeting minutes

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number one

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let me get this

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here it states in the paragraph uh Rich

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Ericson nominated Chris Reta as Planning

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Commission Vice chairman Bill wood

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nominated Kevin Ross as Planning

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Commission Vice

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chairman Rich Ericson made a motion to

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elect Chris Reta as Vice chairman Chris

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Reta seconded the motion it was a tie

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vote 3

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to3 the nomination for vice chairman was

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tabled at the direction of supervisor

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Greg Kars who was in the

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audience so my concern is the supervisor

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doesn't have the authority to direct the

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Planning Commission yet it states in the

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minutes that you directed them to

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table their nominations nor should you

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be speaking at a Planning Commission

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meeting

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uh don't know if I directed did I that's

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what it states here in the minutes

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I think what he did didn't state it what

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he stated was in the zoning board when

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we had this situation what he did is we

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tabled that was the statement so maybe

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we need to start taking our minute

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meeting unit better well I'm just

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reading the board I did not tell them to

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do that he he made a suggestion based

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off what they do at the Z

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exactly and the question is should you

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making be making

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suggestions in a form of directing the

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Planning Commission he didn't

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direct comment is he shouldn't be

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speaking he didn't direct he said when

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we have this you this is what we

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do and I believe at that time they said

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okay that's what we're going to do well

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clearly they took direction from him

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that's what the minut

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St they're adults they can make a

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decision whether they ignore or follow

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that the fact that they follow it

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doesn't mean that they took Direction

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from

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him I even think they ask

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me i' have to review I'd have

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to we have to look at it I but

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I

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yeah

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um so we're not approve

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the no it's fine I'm just making a point

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that the supervisor doesn't have

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authority to direct the Planning

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Commission I and well you haven't proved

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that that exactly what happened either

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again more ACC we need more accurate

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minutes or to go look at and review the

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video before bringing bringing that kind

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of an accusation

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right the accusation stems from the

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minutes that I'm reading provided by of

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course but the minutes are never wrong

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we know that the minutes are never

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complete they don't have to be they

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don't have to be complete has right to

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question what was printed in the packet

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she has every right to question that

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respect

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we're we're responding we have a right

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to respond make accusations I didn't

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make an accusation okay I exactly what's

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in here okay come on are we are we going

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to

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approve the

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communications I'll make a motion to

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approve Communications one and two in

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place on file I support

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it all all in favor I I oppose me I'm

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opposed am minuts are not accurate okay

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correct public

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remarks

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Scott SC white this is exactly what we

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don't need for four

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years I just want to bring your

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attention is this working think so turn

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it on I just want to say I come here a

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lot been here most time been here for

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years just before all the hoop

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here turn it we had meetings is it and

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I'm I'm g go back use the mic M I'm

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going to go back to the Liberty house

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with the Planning

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Commission the Planning Commission was

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working to try to approve Scott use the

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mic so the video audience can hear wait

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can I make a comment first the per first

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public comment is only I know but this

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is pertaining to you're going to punish

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somebody if you're going to punish

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people the first public comment is for

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agenda items only okay it is it is

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you're going to censor these people but

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you're telling us about saying something

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about I don't see Li we got allp just

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hold on just a second you're cing people

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here right doesn't have to do with the

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Liberty house what it does because

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you're censoring them for the same thing

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the Planning Commission did on the

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Liberty house you were told by this

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attorney that the offer they made the

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Liberty

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house was

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illegal did I ask for the anybody on the

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Planning Commission to

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resign did I ask anybody to resign the

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Planning Commission M earlier they

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offered her a deal to approve that

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split if she promised the township she

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would not build

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and the attorney sit there and told him

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he never heard anything about it he

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never approved that and it was illegal

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so yes this is pertaining to this if

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you're going to hold people accountable

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you got to go back we can go back 14

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years you want to pull up all this stuff

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Ben at Lake Urban

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Lake I can do it listen you guys the

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center is something that happens I know

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if you made a mistake fine let's eat it

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okay let's move

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on okay Y and thanks I could ask those

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guys all to resign I'm very upset about

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that I know it was the Liberty house

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okay but you know my neighbors and I we

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want to be safe there and we couldn't

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even get a fence put up okay okay but

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but I'm just saying but this is what we

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want but I'm going to get on here make

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it quick okay but these laptops and

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phones don't you're going to put the

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timer on now we listen to Chris come on

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get off of it um the laptops and phones

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um you know no no I don't I'm not for

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that but uh I'm going to get into some

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stuff here there's some stuff that needs

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to be taken care of you have to stay on

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the agenda though I'm going to right now

557
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we're going to get into it later on so

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these people want to know some stuff

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we're going to hear some stuff all right

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next anybody

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else come on

562
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:42,519
turn is it your place to talk okay Kurt

563
00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:46,158
it's okay just let it go uh Kurt Schultz

564
00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:48,398
Silver Lake Estates y uh I want to speak

565
00:26:46,159 --> 00:26:51,320
in regards to the uh

566
00:26:48,398 --> 00:26:53,038
censure you know um I'm really

567
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:54,439
embarrassed to even be up here

568
00:26:53,038 --> 00:26:57,398
discussing

569
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,440
this seems to me that I had to listen

570
00:26:57,398 --> 00:27:01,119
for three and a half years to

571
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,679
transparency in

572
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:08,798
government and uh

573
00:27:04,679 --> 00:27:10,759
preaching that uh we're going to be open

574
00:27:08,798 --> 00:27:13,679
on everything yeah what's the first

575
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:15,960
thing that happens you violate the open

576
00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:18,919
meetings

577
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,558
act and it only took you three weeks to

578
00:27:18,919 --> 00:27:23,399
do

579
00:27:20,558 --> 00:27:25,398
that you you violated the trust of the

580
00:27:23,398 --> 00:27:27,879
people

581
00:27:25,398 --> 00:27:29,839
here you know I I wouldn't be surprised

582
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,400
if we get a

583
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:32,720
recall you

584
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,440
[Music]

585
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,038
know I I just don't get that you sit and

586
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,000
smile because that's the comment you

587
00:27:37,038 --> 00:27:41,919
made to me all the

588
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,960
time so you know you got to know what

589
00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:45,880
you don't

590
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:49,000
know that man right over there he's the

591
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,960
guy to talk to when you do stuff and you

592
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,359
don't do it without the approval of the

593
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:57,159
rest of the

594
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:59,240
board now it's going to be really ugly

595
00:27:57,159 --> 00:28:00,840
here because they're going to have to

596
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,960
vote on

597
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:04,359
this and they're going to have to vote

598
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:08,000
to censure

599
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:11,278
people why because they

600
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:14,240
should sit and smile

601
00:28:11,278 --> 00:28:18,119
there you know

602
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:21,519
um the residents here expected

603
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:25,439
more what we didn't expect more of is

604
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:28,759
for you to come in and simply try to

605
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,960
push through stuff without following the

606
00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:34,759
process and the problem is you don't

607
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:37,798
know the process he does and all he's

608
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:40,798
your reference point and okay so we

609
00:28:37,798 --> 00:28:43,759
don't do we don't care about lawsuits we

610
00:28:40,798 --> 00:28:47,558
don't care about who sues us I got news

611
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:49,798
for you your job is a risk manager here

612
00:28:47,558 --> 00:28:52,038
you manage the risk for the

613
00:28:49,798 --> 00:28:54,038
township you take the

614
00:28:52,038 --> 00:28:55,440
responsibility to make sure we don't get

615
00:28:54,038 --> 00:28:58,119
into frivolous

616
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,679
lawsuits that when we do have a law

617
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:02,759
lawsuit is one that we think we can win

618
00:29:00,679 --> 00:29:03,798
or we know that the what the results are

619
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:06,119
going to

620
00:29:03,798 --> 00:29:08,319
be and that's your

621
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:09,839
responsibility but no we're going to

622
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:12,558
spend time

623
00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:14,519
censuring because people can't follow

624
00:29:12,558 --> 00:29:19,798
the rules that are in

625
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:24,000
place I'm embarrassed for you you three

626
00:29:19,798 --> 00:29:24,000
especially thank you

627
00:29:29,558 --> 00:29:34,918
go ahead

628
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:37,000
Zach good evening Zack Tucker Lake Brook

629
00:29:34,919 --> 00:29:38,880
Drive I'll be real brief I just want to

630
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,440
encourage the board to listen to the

631
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:44,960
Township's attorney instead of speeches

632
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,960
um attorney's a resource should be used

633
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,200
I EO Kur I Echo Kurt's comments in that

634
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,278
regard something else I I want to bring

635
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,038
to the board's very specific attention I

636
00:29:52,278 --> 00:29:57,798
think could very easily get lost in the

637
00:29:54,038 --> 00:30:00,919
noise I I find it pretty incredible that

638
00:29:57,798 --> 00:30:03,679
a politician who ran on a conservative

639
00:30:00,919 --> 00:30:05,440
platform a few weeks into his term is

640
00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:09,399
asking the board to provide him with

641
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:12,840
business cards and a cell phone and a

642
00:30:09,398 --> 00:30:14,479
laptop um I just want the board to know

643
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:16,639
I'm on the list of conservative

644
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,919
residents that is definitely opposed to

645
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,919
that so thank

646
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:25,079
you Janette

647
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:35,479
[Music]

648
00:30:31,038 --> 00:30:38,720
okay you I'm not sitting down okay okay

649
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,919
that's fine um Janette Retta Tyrone

650
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,120
Township resident um you may have

651
00:30:40,919 --> 00:30:45,640
noticed somebody stood up two people

652
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:49,239
before me older gentleman didn't say his

653
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,519
name that's Kurt Schultz he was on the

654
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,640
uh board

655
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:54,640
earlier pardon me

656
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:59,798
and stick the agenda yeah I will but

657
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,919
he's the one who wanted to slap me

658
00:30:59,798 --> 00:31:06,679
across my effing face okay that's the

659
00:31:02,919 --> 00:31:09,240
guy okay so now that we know who all he

660
00:31:06,679 --> 00:31:11,038
is um it's really surprising and

661
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,359
honestly disappointing to see so many

662
00:31:11,038 --> 00:31:16,440
people here tonight for what feels like

663
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:18,240
a Witch Hunt imagine if even a quarter

664
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,679
of this group regularly attended

665
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,079
meetings that truly shape our community

666
00:31:20,679 --> 00:31:23,840
like the last Planning Commission

667
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:25,638
meeting that was the meeting that was

668
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:27,439
held the day after the last board

669
00:31:25,638 --> 00:31:29,439
meeting which was very contentious

670
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,320
meeting but let me tell you something

671
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,720
about that Planning Commission meeting

672
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,960
it was drastically different from every

673
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,240
Planning Commission meeting I've

674
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,360
attended in nearly four years and I sent

675
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,519
John Ward a message I didn't want a

676
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:43,519
message back I just said great you did a

677
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,679
great job it was it was a really good

678
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:48,319
meeting and unfortunately there were

679
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:50,159
only five residents there and we get

680
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,558
this when it's a Witch Hunt but we don't

681
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:54,679
get people to show up for the things

682
00:31:51,558 --> 00:31:56,119
that matter and yes I've attended every

683
00:31:54,679 --> 00:31:57,440
nearly every board and Planning

684
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:59,038
Commission meeting and I have a better

685
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,120
attendance than most of the planning

686
00:31:59,038 --> 00:32:03,000
Commissioners and honestly I believe I

687
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:05,518
have a better grasp on the issues from

688
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:08,759
some of them as compared to some of them

689
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:10,319
because attendance matters because you

690
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:12,720
can't learn about the issues if you

691
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:14,439
don't attend the meetings in the past

692
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,919
most of the planning Commissioners came

693
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,600
unprepared and rarely participated in

694
00:32:16,919 --> 00:32:21,278
meaningful discussions all you need to

695
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:23,719
do is look at the the videos but the

696
00:32:21,278 --> 00:32:25,638
last meeting and I'm giving praise here

697
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,159
after receiving from the letter from the

698
00:32:25,638 --> 00:32:30,359
supervisor KS it was a complete

699
00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:32,919
different story every commissioner was

700
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:35,319
present one was about an hour late but

701
00:32:32,919 --> 00:32:37,320
he was there and what really stood out

702
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:39,678
was the level of preparation they asked

703
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:41,480
thoughtful questions they referenced the

704
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:43,679
packet they participated in real

705
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:46,079
discussions it was not the kind of

706
00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:47,480
meeting that it was the kind of meeting

707
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:49,918
that should be the

708
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:53,720
norm and so what

709
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:55,200
changed I'm almost done y they realize

710
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,079
that they are being watched and this has

711
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,720
to be with it has to do with the centry

712
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:01,158
letter cuz you're

713
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,960
censoring I mean that they realized they

714
00:33:01,159 --> 00:33:04,799
might actually be held accountable for

715
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,639
their lack of participation that was

716
00:33:04,798 --> 00:33:10,038
what was different the very letter that

717
00:33:07,638 --> 00:33:13,240
has been so overblown in this room

718
00:33:10,038 --> 00:33:15,359
tonight overblown online as a former

719
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,399
supervisor's wife has been spewing her

720
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:20,278
propaganda online and let me be clear

721
00:33:18,398 --> 00:33:22,359
gre's letter wasn't a public

722
00:33:20,278 --> 00:33:24,558
condemnation it wasn't accusatory it was

723
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:25,918
an attempt to encourage the Planning

724
00:33:24,558 --> 00:33:29,200
Commission to do the job they were

725
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:30,360
appointed to do and guess what it worked

726
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,679
now the fact that the Planning

727
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:35,319
Commission appears to have taken a more

728
00:33:32,679 --> 00:33:37,559
serious attitude in doing their job

729
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:40,000
doesn't absolve them from the past all

730
00:33:37,558 --> 00:33:41,599
right thanks thanks Jun Greg when you

731
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,480
said that this was the main thing that

732
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:46,439
you were going to do so get rid of we

733
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,960
are going to get rid of it but you are

734
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,399
going to get rid of it yeah EV I can't

735
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,120
finish my thought this is the most

736
00:33:51,398 --> 00:33:55,119
important night Greg and you're going to

737
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:57,239
listen to these ladies on both sides of

738
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:58,319
you that are telling you to shut me up

739
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,919
it's okay

740
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:03,480
it's not okay I'm I'm ready to talk

741
00:34:00,919 --> 00:34:05,240
myself not I'm ready to move on to the

742
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:12,519
new business thank

743
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:12,519
you not okay it is it's okay anybody

744
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:18,159
else yeah

745
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:20,440
Kevin keep this guy on

746
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:23,530
timer

747
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,530
[Music]

748
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,678
yeah hold on

749
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,279
Kevin all right

750
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,119
okay sorry thank you Chris for your

751
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,280
filibuster earlier I really appreciate

752
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:35,760
that thank

753
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,440
you guys last time I was here and I

754
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,040
graced the room the air was thick with

755
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,320
smoke and even the Watchers looked for

756
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:44,000
fire but couldn't find it so I went

757
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,679
ahead and lit it I called for the

758
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,440
resignations of Chris Reta Dean hos Greg

759
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:51,720
KS spoiler alert since then their

760
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,280
greatest hits have only gotten longer

761
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,838
this Township deserves transparency the

762
00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:00,440
thing that you guys ran on and you lied

763
00:34:56,838 --> 00:35:03,039
about I hope the V voters are

764
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,760
watching let's start with the unapproved

765
00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:08,039
and illegal board action orchestrated by

766
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,119
Chris Dean and Greg while Greg was busy

767
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:12,000
soaking up the floorida sunshine

768
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:14,680
coordination across state lines a

769
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,199
sidestep proper procedure is a bold move

770
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:19,319
guys meanwhile back at the ranch last

771
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:21,199
board meeting adjourning Dean took it

772
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,760
upon himself to scream in the face of

773
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:25,399
truste s Sarah dolman Jersey you know

774
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,880
one of four adults on the board here

775
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,960
trying to keep things lawful Dean

776
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:33,280
yelling at somebody who is who for doing

777
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,559
their job isn't just tacky but it's

778
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,280
really unprofessional when you try to

779
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:38,320
get your wife into it as well but then

780
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,720
again you've never let professionalism

781
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,440
get in your way have you and I'm

782
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,959
referring to your stunt with that fake

783
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,400
letter to try to charge us at the PC and

784
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,639
Greg welcome back for your second out

785
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,480
ofate Adventure since taking office

786
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:53,799
first Florida and now California and by

787
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,400
the way hope the weather was worth it

788
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,680
now let's in the words of John Ward

789
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:02,318
shush now let's talk about your newfound

790
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:04,598
wish list shiny new laptops emails

791
00:36:02,318 --> 00:36:07,199
phones and even business cards how

792
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:09,480
precious who are you trying to impress

793
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:11,118
here we know this isn't about efficiency

794
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,639
it's about keeping your little side

795
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:16,760
chats safely tucked away from foyer

796
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:19,159
requests news flash Dirty Laundry always

797
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,359
finds a way to the clothesline oh and I

798
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:23,159
hear there's a cent on the docket today

799
00:36:21,358 --> 00:36:25,920
let's let me be clear a symbolic

800
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:28,838
reprimand is insufficient the township

801
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:31,240
deserves leaders who prioritize ethical

802
00:36:28,838 --> 00:36:33,239
governance over personal agendas this

803
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,598
Township deserves leaders who care about

804
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,479
ethics not people who treat

805
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:39,200
accountability like an optional upgrade

806
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,159
how many more financial penalties and

807
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:44,399
reputational hits do we need before you

808
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:46,799
take responsibility so let me say it

809
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,838
louder for the people in the back Chris

810
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,760
Dean Greg your ego is not your Amigo

811
00:36:49,838 --> 00:36:54,159
it's time to resign step aside and let

812
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,079
Leaders with a shred of Integrity do the

813
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:58,920
job the clock is ticking and the

814
00:36:56,079 --> 00:37:00,760
township can't afford your I anymore if

815
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,680
you truly care about this community

816
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,280
you'll stop playing government dress up

817
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:06,759
and make room for people who actually

818
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,760
know what they're

819
00:37:16,838 --> 00:37:22,599
doing I don't

820
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:22,598
know are we all

821
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:29,280
done all right

822
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:36,440
uh do we have any unfinished

823
00:37:34,489 --> 00:37:38,679
[Music]

824
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:43,000
business

825
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:44,480
see nope okay and we'll move on to uh

826
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:51,679
new

827
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:51,679
business and the discussion of uh my

828
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,880
centure um

829
00:37:59,838 --> 00:38:07,159
I guess I talk I think we should ask um

830
00:38:03,358 --> 00:38:11,119
our attorney chuck if he can underline

831
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:14,838
um the laws that were

832
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:18,880
violated when those letters went

833
00:38:14,838 --> 00:38:18,880
out laws were

834
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:23,399
violated I don't have no

835
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:30,039
fact could you speak in the microphone

836
00:38:26,838 --> 00:38:32,960
please thank you I don't have enough

837
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,960
facts to tell

838
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:43,880
you should

839
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:51,838
be there I can hear you so you got it

840
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:53,440
can you hear me now y yes I don't know

841
00:38:51,838 --> 00:38:54,920
enough facts to tell you whether there's

842
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,519
been any laws

843
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:00,358
violated um a violation of the open

844
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:01,199
meetings act would require um at least

845
00:39:00,358 --> 00:39:03,400
four

846
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:04,759
members I have no idea whether that

847
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,920
happened and

848
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:10,280
frankly um if there were violations out

849
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:14,559
there you wouldn't want me to be telling

850
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,560
you at this board meeting of

851
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:23,480
that may I comment on the op meeting act

852
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:27,480
violation

853
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,480
supposedly um

854
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,639
all four

855
00:39:33,358 --> 00:39:41,000
trustees and myself knew or were

856
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:45,639
disappointed in the Planning Commission

857
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:49,079
we knew this well before we were elected

858
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:52,199
and yes the five of us sat down talked

859
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:54,160
about it and were elected for one of

860
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:59,318
those reasons that was one of the

861
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:59,318
platforms that all five of us ran on

862
00:40:00,318 --> 00:40:04,318
correct after we were

863
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:11,960
elected after we were elected not sworn

864
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:17,679
in after we were elected we did not

865
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:22,000
violate the opens meeting act at

866
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:22,000
all we did not violate

867
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:28,400
it the only

868
00:40:24,838 --> 00:40:30,119
two that knew about the letter

869
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:35,400
the

870
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:38,240
letter was Dean and Chris I apologize

871
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,960
for getting you guys involved in this

872
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:43,000
but I have I have a question for you

873
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:47,599
Char

874
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:50,719
um as as Chris pointed out the law is

875
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:52,280
very silent on how the letter can be

876
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,039
supplied to the the board members

877
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:57,599
correct yes so they would look for a

878
00:40:55,039 --> 00:41:00,279
precedent as to what what what would do

879
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:02,800
that right when you say they would look

880
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,480
to a for if this was go to court of law

881
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,280
he would look for some precedence Sy a

882
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,920
way it should where he could come up

883
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:12,000
with an idea of how it might be done if

884
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:14,358
if there were a hypothetical lawsuit and

885
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:17,119
there is no statutory guidance and

886
00:41:14,358 --> 00:41:19,199
there's no case law guidance then a

887
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:21,280
judge would have to make that decision

888
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:23,159
if there is case law guidance generally

889
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,640
speaking the trial courts follow the

890
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:27,440
case law guidance because it's case law

891
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:29,118
established by a higher court court

892
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,760
appeal Supreme Court so so I'm going to

893
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,800
ask you this based on the fact that in

894
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,480
our

895
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:39,519
bylaws when we appoint a Planning

896
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,920
Commission person the process is Mr con

897
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:43,358
does not have supervisor does not have

898
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:46,240
to go out to the the public he doesn't

899
00:41:43,358 --> 00:41:48,679
have to put out a notice of of opening

900
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,559
he has the ability to bring a person in

901
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:52,199
front of this board for appointment to

902
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:55,000
the Planning Commission is that correct

903
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:57,358
the supervisor gets to recommend that is

904
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,800
correct okay under that same thing

905
00:41:57,358 --> 00:42:03,880
wouldn't wouldn't it be reasonable to

906
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,440
think that he had that same ability to

907
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,079
bring somebody up for

908
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:11,400
review I don't have right to review it's

909
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:12,920
apples and oranges why because it is

910
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,079
it's bringing somebody in front of the

911
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:18,280
board that's all it is on a charge which

912
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:20,200
is different and does he also have the

913
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,760
right to State very clearly that the

914
00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:25,639
Township board made a decision does not

915
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,960
state that anyway yes it does show me

916
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:31,480
the letter was in the

917
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,480
copy of the letter right here thank you

918
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:37,119
John the language very explicitly says

919
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:41,079
the

920
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:44,160
township I to where the law is that says

921
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:46,359
Mr KS our supervisor has to have board

922
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:48,000
approval to send a letter to claim that

923
00:42:46,358 --> 00:42:52,119
the board made a decision that they

924
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:55,039
never made he didn't say he majority the

925
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:58,039
board look at this letter this letter

926
00:42:55,039 --> 00:43:00,358
States Kevin Ross own Planning

927
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:02,880
Commission your attendance record during

928
00:43:00,358 --> 00:43:06,078
the 2024 calendar year at Planning

929
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:09,800
Commission meetings is less than 80% of

930
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:13,839
held meetings as a result of this the

931
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:17,200
Township Board is charging you with

932
00:43:13,838 --> 00:43:19,960
nonfeasance the Township Board will hold

933
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:24,159
the public hearing line item on the

934
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:26,800
agenda of the December 17 2024 at 700

935
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:29,118
p.m. meeting and your attendance is

936
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,160
requireed requested so you can explain

937
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:34,838
your position thank you Greg cens Tyrone

938
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:37,519
Township supervisor so you're going to

939
00:43:34,838 --> 00:43:40,239
you're going to hold him on uh centure

940
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:43,679
because of a a misquote when should have

941
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,679
been instead of just the

942
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:52,318
one okay it's okay let me let me let me

943
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:55,040
just tell you how we got here okay me

944
00:43:52,318 --> 00:43:55,039
just tell you how we

945
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:59,480
got early December

946
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:02,279
I reached

947
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:06,880
out to each of the planning

948
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,880
Commissioners via VIA an

949
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:13,760
email to initiate a conversation on

950
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,559
their commitment to the planning board

951
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:20,200
and stress the importance of their

952
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:23,720
attendance and engagement to the serious

953
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,719
task in front of this

954
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:31,599
Township let me repeat that

955
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:36,318
I reached out to each of the planning

956
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:38,760
Commissioners via an email to initiate a

957
00:44:36,318 --> 00:44:42,039
conversation on their commitment to the

958
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:45,079
planning board and stress the importance

959
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:49,480
of their attendance and engagement to

960
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:49,480
the serious task in front of this

961
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,240
Township I

962
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:58,240
had good conversations with three of

963
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,239
them

964
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:05,079
one was uncooperative and one just

965
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:05,079
didn't

966
00:45:06,358 --> 00:45:12,000
respond

967
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:16,240
so in an effort to get this

968
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:21,039
conversation because time is running out

969
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:21,039
on these important tasks that need to be

970
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:29,119
done so I wrote this

971
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,960
letter CU I I didn't see any other way

972
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:33,280
to make it happen

973
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:37,000
quickly that's

974
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,640
not after I delivered the letter to each

975
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,519
of the

976
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:44,879
members I realized that uh it wasn't the

977
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:48,639
best way to get my goal

978
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:52,400
accomplished so I asked them to destroy

979
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:53,199
the letter and become n and make it null

980
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:58,358
and

981
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:58,358
void and make it null and void

982
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:06,358
my intention was not

983
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,359
intimidation but merely to hold the

984
00:46:06,358 --> 00:46:11,358
board members accountable to the

985
00:46:08,358 --> 00:46:11,358
township

986
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:19,679
residence this last item on

987
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:23,719
transparency

988
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:26,118
well I think we'll let the 6,500 voters

989
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:29,279
that voted for me they can decide

990
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:34,559
whether I'm trans transparent or not not

991
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,559
a few of you and not this

992
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:46,439
sensor in summary in

993
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,838
summary the main reason I ran for this

994
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,760
position was to make the boards more

995
00:46:48,838 --> 00:46:51,759
accountable to you

996
00:46:52,000 --> 00:47:01,880
residents to have these boards draw upon

997
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,880
the knowledge and experience of you the

998
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:08,598
residents I think it's

999
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:13,079
clear even though my

1000
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:16,200
letter blew up in my face

1001
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:18,720
um well I I hope I hope the Planning

1002
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:20,439
Commission stays in the direction it's

1003
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,879
headed and

1004
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,440
John great job trying to get the

1005
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,838
residents involved keep it

1006
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,838
up uh

1007
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:34,200
I think you're going to have an easier

1008
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:38,039
time than me get getting this board

1009
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:42,199
working but uh I'm going to keep trying

1010
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:42,199
with this board I'm not going to be

1011
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:50,040
discouraged

1012
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:53,318
um I guess

1013
00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:57,119
uh you board members you you got to vote

1014
00:47:53,318 --> 00:47:57,119
however you think you should

1015
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:05,318
but uh if you vote for this you're

1016
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:08,838
wrong you're wrong you're wrong you're

1017
00:48:05,318 --> 00:48:12,960
wrong wrong wrong because you don't know

1018
00:48:08,838 --> 00:48:12,960
me you don't really know who I

1019
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:18,880
am once again Mr KS I'll point out in

1020
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,838
this letter you wrote as a result of

1021
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,519
this the Township Board is charging you

1022
00:48:20,838 --> 00:48:24,000
with

1023
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:26,800
nonfeasance I had no idea you were

1024
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,280
creating this letter I had no idea that

1025
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,200
you were meeting with other board

1026
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:34,400
members so if I if I met with everyone

1027
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:37,519
that would be a violation that would be

1028
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,559
the appropriate way to discuss charate

1029
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:41,880
actions to take would be to bring it to

1030
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:44,119
the board table and have that

1031
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:47,000
conversation and by the way that's the

1032
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:48,559
difference between the work and the

1033
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,318
trustees on this board that were

1034
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:53,040
involved in the centure it was brought

1035
00:48:50,318 --> 00:48:56,239
to the board table for discussion and

1036
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:59,798
action it was not done through email

1037
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:04,118
with three people and then act it

1038
00:48:59,798 --> 00:49:07,039
upon okay so I I'd also I'd like to go

1039
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:10,640
back here I'd like to speak and go back

1040
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:15,639
here back to August 26 it was a Monday

1041
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:18,639
11:14 a.m. you Mr K sent myself and

1042
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:21,159
every board member here a text message

1043
00:49:18,639 --> 00:49:24,078
and it states I would like to get with

1044
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:25,920
all of you for an hour this week please

1045
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:27,359
let me know if Wednesday or Thursday

1046
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,000
works

1047
00:49:27,358 --> 00:49:32,519
I am thinking between 5:00 p.m. and 700

1048
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:36,760
p.m. 1 hour

1049
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:39,358
maximum one response I can meet

1050
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:42,000
Wednesday your response I think kerm is

1051
00:49:39,358 --> 00:49:44,480
still good for Wednesday that's twoo

1052
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:48,199
another response not available this

1053
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:52,798
week and then Mr K what's the date

1054
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:55,039
Monday August 26 at 11:14 a.m. okay I

1055
00:49:52,798 --> 00:49:57,519
have contacted you I made a phone call

1056
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:59,639
to you and I referenced the 20 23 case

1057
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:02,480
in Ottawa County where some of the

1058
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:04,519
County Board of Commissioners violated

1059
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,440
the spirit of the open meetings act by

1060
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:09,719
meeting and deliberating outside of a

1061
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:13,599
public meeting prior to taking their

1062
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:17,959
oath I informed you of the case I

1063
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:22,000
suggested you Google August August 28th

1064
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:24,280
August 26th Monday I wasn't even elected

1065
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,920
no you weren't

1066
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,839
listen Pam pointed out to me that this

1067
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,358
is probably not a good idea for us to

1068
00:50:28,838 --> 00:50:33,279
meet in the spirit of transparency we

1069
00:50:31,358 --> 00:50:35,759
will not get together until after

1070
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,760
November

1071
00:50:35,838 --> 00:50:42,318
20th and then Mr H says transparency to

1072
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:46,519
what we aren't officially elected yet to

1073
00:50:42,318 --> 00:50:49,358
anything Herman says wow okay then Mr H

1074
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:52,000
says okay Herm is so we are meeting with

1075
00:50:49,358 --> 00:50:55,880
our board representative

1076
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:58,239
LOL so my point in bringing this up is I

1077
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:01,760
had informed Med you prior to you being

1078
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:04,118
elected and every one of you was aware

1079
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:07,520
about the open meetings act and that

1080
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:10,119
there are laws to follow yet according

1081
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:13,159
to this letter and according to your own

1082
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:16,280
acknowledgement to me you admitted to me

1083
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:19,759
that you Chris and Dean discussed this

1084
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:21,720
letter so then you presented this letter

1085
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:24,319
to the Planning Commission as though the

1086
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:27,639
board had voted on this and discussed it

1087
00:51:24,318 --> 00:51:30,558
you took away our voice and our vote and

1088
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:31,759
you three made decisions without the

1089
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:34,000
remainder of the board and we're

1090
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,000
supposed to function as a board as a

1091
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,679
team and communicate and have

1092
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,679
conversations and work together we can't

1093
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:45,039
do that if you're making meetings and

1094
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:47,000
phone calls amongst each other to make

1095
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:49,440
decisions might want to read that case a

1096
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:52,039
little further because what it says is

1097
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:55,519
if you meet with the purpose of coming

1098
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:59,119
up with a decision and you decided you

1099
00:51:55,519 --> 00:52:02,000
deliberated and made a decision

1100
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:03,960
he did I sign that letter did Chris sign

1101
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,798
that letter he came to us and asked our

1102
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:09,760
thoughts on it we gave him our

1103
00:52:06,798 --> 00:52:12,358
thoughts based on your thoughts Mr K

1104
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,520
decided and created a letter and sent it

1105
00:52:12,358 --> 00:52:16,159
out there was deliberation and a

1106
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:21,280
decision was made and the letter was

1107
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:21,279
sent was hand delivered that's my

1108
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:28,199
point in addition to that you said that

1109
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:30,880
the Township Board would hold a public

1110
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:33,358
hearing I did not post any public

1111
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:36,720
hearing for Planning Commission members

1112
00:52:33,358 --> 00:52:38,639
to come to and that but this is a letter

1113
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,679
you gave them you told them there was a

1114
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:44,400
public hearing on December 17th you

1115
00:52:41,679 --> 00:52:48,000
can't deny it I know I made it and all

1116
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:52,200
in void so what I'm saying

1117
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:53,719
is come on GRE digging a hole buddy okay

1118
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:56,039
my whole point in being is that there

1119
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:59,118
are laws to follow there are processes

1120
00:52:56,039 --> 00:53:01,719
and we have have to follow laws and

1121
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:04,720
processes it if we can't do that we

1122
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:07,558
can't improve our Township we have to

1123
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:09,798
work together we have to be a team and

1124
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:11,920
we have to follow the laws and open

1125
00:53:09,798 --> 00:53:14,000
meetings act and make decisions together

1126
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:18,000
and discuss that up here at the board

1127
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,000
table that's the only way we can move

1128
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:27,279
forward so with that with that being

1129
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:30,639
said um I would like to make a mo motion

1130
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:33,640
of censor of supervisor Greg

1131
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:33,639
CS

1132
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:41,879
support I had a statement to read first

1133
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,880
can I share my statement sure

1134
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:50,440
before

1135
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:53,079
um I guess I first would like to recap

1136
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:56,119
um my own perspective and the events

1137
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:59,559
that took place because I think each of

1138
00:53:56,119 --> 00:54:02,680
us has a little different point of view

1139
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:04,400
so at our last board meeting on December

1140
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:06,480
17th it was brought to the township

1141
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,119
board's attention that a letter was

1142
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,039
issued on the 10th of December to the

1143
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:12,160
Planning Commission stating that

1144
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:13,960
Township Board was charging them the

1145
00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:16,639
planning Commissioners with non-vent for

1146
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:18,358
attending less than 80% of meetings and

1147
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:19,920
invited them to come to a public hearing

1148
00:54:18,358 --> 00:54:22,199
scheduled at the next board meeting and

1149
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:25,079
forgive the redundancy I just have to

1150
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:27,480
not miss anything that I wanted to say

1151
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:29,280
the Township Board is a po has never

1152
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,440
held a board meeting in which this

1153
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,079
letter or charges of any kind toward

1154
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,760
planning Commissioners were discussed or

1155
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:37,559
voted upon four of the seven board

1156
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,920
members had no knowledge that any such

1157
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:42,599
letter was conceived or drafted until

1158
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,838
the evening it was

1159
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:46,640
delivered there is nothing in the

1160
00:54:44,838 --> 00:54:48,960
Planning Commission bylaws that says

1161
00:54:46,639 --> 00:54:51,078
anything about expectations of 80%

1162
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,920
attendance there was no public hearing

1163
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:55,039
scheduled for December 17th and there

1164
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:58,480
was never a request for one to be

1165
00:54:55,039 --> 00:55:00,838
scheduled under December 10th the above

1166
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:03,440
mentioned letter was delivered in person

1167
00:55:00,838 --> 00:55:05,078
by supervisor KS to the planning

1168
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,960
Commissioners at the conclusion of the

1169
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:09,119
regular Planning Commission meeting

1170
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,679
trusty H was also present and trusty

1171
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:13,760
Retta was present as the new ex officio

1172
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:15,919
appointee in the days that followed

1173
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,880
supervisor KS called the clerk and said

1174
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:21,760
he had a quorum I had a majority of the

1175
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,440
board who supported this action this

1176
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,400
statement was false because there never

1177
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,519
was a publicly held board meeting in

1178
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,240
which a quorum was been present to

1179
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:32,000
discuss this subject or plan of action

1180
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,558
he then asked planning the Planning

1181
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,440
Commission to throw the letter away and

1182
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:37,440
move

1183
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:39,000
on at the December 17th board meeting

1184
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,760
several planning Commissioners spoke

1185
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,119
during public comment as well as

1186
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,680
concerned

1187
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:47,480
residents concerns were raised that some

1188
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:49,960
board members were operating in secret

1189
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:52,119
misrepresenting the board conducting

1190
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,798
Township business and making decisions

1191
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:56,720
on behalf of the board without their

1192
00:55:53,798 --> 00:55:59,400
knowing which is an abuse of the author

1193
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:02,399
of the Township

1194
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,400
Board

1195
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:09,039
um what I want to say is

1196
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,639
this during my campaign I shared and

1197
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:13,000
heard concerns about the Planning

1198
00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:15,598
Commission relative to cancled meetings

1199
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,400
attendance and working toward the goal

1200
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:19,280
of being more proactive in addressing

1201
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,880
issues related to Planning and Zoning as

1202
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:24,599
opposed to being reactive that is true

1203
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,640
engaging in dialogue about those

1204
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:29,359
concerns does not give anyone the

1205
00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:31,159
authority to take actions on my behalf

1206
00:56:29,358 --> 00:56:33,798
without my knowledge without coming

1207
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:35,838
forth in a public meeting without

1208
00:56:33,798 --> 00:56:38,480
deliberation with all board members

1209
00:56:35,838 --> 00:56:41,318
present or without a publicly held board

1210
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:43,358
vote implicating the board as a whole is

1211
00:56:41,318 --> 00:56:45,279
being involved in the conception

1212
00:56:43,358 --> 00:56:47,119
Drafting and delivery of this letter

1213
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,519
received by the Planning Commission is

1214
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,519
entirely false and egregious those

1215
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:53,759
involved did so intentionally without

1216
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:56,280
the knowledge of the board as a

1217
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,760
whole the Township Board is required by

1218
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:01,680
by law to operate as a public entity

1219
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:04,440
decisions must be made in a in public at

1220
00:57:01,679 --> 00:57:07,440
scheduled meetings not just voting but

1221
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:10,240
also thinking deliberating an especially

1222
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,200
Township business that is acted upon

1223
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,078
intentionally acting on behalf of the

1224
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:16,519
board and intentionally misrepresenting

1225
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:18,960
the board outside these parameters is a

1226
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:21,199
serious breach of the Oma a serious

1227
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:23,519
breach of your board colleagues trust

1228
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:25,838
and a serious breach of the community's

1229
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:29,480
trust and that is why we're discussing

1230
00:57:25,838 --> 00:57:31,838
this matter it is not just no big deal

1231
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:34,519
accountability matters ethical Behavior

1232
00:57:31,838 --> 00:57:36,480
matters following the law matters the

1233
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:38,880
impact the situation has had on the

1234
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:41,119
township staff fellow board members and

1235
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,400
the Planning Commission have been severe

1236
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:44,400
instead of building working

1237
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,920
relationships finding common goals and

1238
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,760
making a plan together a path has been

1239
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,440
chosen that is utterly destructive and

1240
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:53,839
divisive if personal agendas cannot be

1241
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,679
replaced with genuine collaboration

1242
00:57:53,838 --> 00:57:58,599
healthy communication and measured

1243
00:57:55,679 --> 00:58:01,358
patience to learn to work within normed

1244
00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:03,880
processes and laws we will accomplish

1245
00:58:01,358 --> 00:58:06,519
absolutely nothing as a

1246
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:09,720
board it will be to the detriment and

1247
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:11,798
sadly at Great cost to the residents a

1248
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:13,679
Township Board should always operate

1249
00:58:11,798 --> 00:58:15,759
with a moral compass to protect the best

1250
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:18,440
interest of the township we serve we are

1251
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,480
sworn by oath to follow the law what is

1252
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,960
being discussed here tonight is not what

1253
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:25,119
the people of this Township voted for No

1254
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,920
One mandated recklessness with their

1255
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:30,400
ballots the board should consider that

1256
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,280
as a legislative body we have only two

1257
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,240
real actions that can be taken when

1258
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:37,640
matters of misconduct arise within our

1259
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:40,959
board one is to issue issue a public

1260
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:42,358
censor to denounce on the record actions

1261
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,960
that have taken

1262
00:58:42,358 --> 00:58:47,159
place the other is removal from any

1263
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,119
committees or other Township bodies for

1264
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:52,078
which a board member may be a

1265
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:53,519
participant furthermore each of us has a

1266
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:55,798
fiduciary

1267
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:58,480
responsibility to protect the Township's

1268
00:58:55,798 --> 00:59:00,318
well being ignoring behavior that

1269
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,838
threatens the Township's fiduciary

1270
00:59:00,318 --> 00:59:04,880
Health would not be prudent the

1271
00:59:02,838 --> 00:59:06,719
situation before us is not a personal

1272
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,880
matter but it is one that warrants a

1273
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:11,318
serious response from the board as a

1274
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:14,079
whole given we were all directly

1275
00:59:11,318 --> 00:59:16,038
implicated in these matters we must

1276
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:18,400
consider any and all board actions to

1277
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:22,160
send a message that is abundantly clear

1278
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,160
this Behavior cannot and will not be

1279
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:28,639
tolerated thank you i' like to add a

1280
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:30,239
comment

1281
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:34,639
please

1282
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:38,318
so with regard to the uh the items in

1283
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:40,078
each of the centure

1284
00:59:38,318 --> 00:59:41,838
resolutions they

1285
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:45,798
don't

1286
00:59:41,838 --> 00:59:48,119
specifically uh tie to things like for

1287
00:59:45,798 --> 00:59:51,920
example there's a claim that there's a

1288
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:55,000
violation of Ethics standards and

1289
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:58,720
ethics but where's the documentation

1290
00:59:55,000 --> 01:00:02,358
around standard ethics that we can learn

1291
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:07,000
what that charge is for they state that

1292
01:00:02,358 --> 01:00:10,199
it's a possible violation of the open

1293
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:12,639
meetings act well we don't work in

1294
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:15,279
possibilities here we work in did you

1295
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:18,038
violate the open meetings act or did you

1296
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:20,760
not violate the open meetings act did

1297
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:23,520
you violate the law or did you not

1298
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:26,119
violate the law and so I'd like to

1299
01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:27,159
understand before voting and uh on these

1300
01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:30,079
particular

1301
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:32,639
issues what ethics and standard

1302
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:34,318
guidelines you're working from I

1303
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:37,078
couldn't find anything out there in the

1304
01:00:34,318 --> 01:00:39,079
public uh website from the plan uh from

1305
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:41,839
the Tyrone Township website that

1306
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:44,359
described ethics and standards for the

1307
01:00:41,838 --> 01:00:46,798
township to be able to compare against

1308
01:00:44,358 --> 01:00:49,239
so that we can understand and I couldn't

1309
01:00:46,798 --> 01:00:51,679
find anything in the open meetings act

1310
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:55,719
that showed that we violated the open

1311
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:57,358
meetings act uh and even uh our attorney

1312
01:00:55,719 --> 01:00:59,639
of there said that he would need to

1313
01:00:57,358 --> 01:01:02,078
research it forward so if we're on such

1314
01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:04,118
a hot path to get uh something done and

1315
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:06,200
get a centure applied wouldn't it be

1316
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:09,838
prudent to actually have the

1317
01:01:06,199 --> 01:01:11,399
facts of these really important things

1318
01:01:09,838 --> 01:01:13,599
before making these

1319
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,960
decisions that's why I'm calling that's

1320
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:17,400
why I called for these to just be uh

1321
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:21,039
removed from the

1322
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:24,160
agenda I mean it's it's you you can't

1323
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:27,799
solve a problem with creating another

1324
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:30,558
problem you can't be vague we have to

1325
01:01:27,798 --> 01:01:34,079
follow the law as you pointed out

1326
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:35,798
correctly follow the law so tell us

1327
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:38,960
letter shows it all which part of the

1328
01:01:35,798 --> 01:01:41,759
law was not followed the letter said it

1329
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:44,079
all do so that this is why this is why I

1330
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,079
have

1331
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:50,000
concerns

1332
01:01:46,798 --> 01:01:53,038
deliberating behind closed

1333
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:56,278
doors violation without whether there's

1334
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:58,200
a quorum or not in acting upon on those

1335
01:01:56,278 --> 01:02:00,079
deliberations without it being in a

1336
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:02,199
public setting and the whole board

1337
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:05,200
present is a violation of the

1338
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:08,358
Oma okay whether there's a quorum or not

1339
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:11,439
I would like delivery an act to come I

1340
01:02:08,358 --> 01:02:13,719
would like the attorney second

1341
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,760
second I don't think we need to have a

1342
01:02:13,719 --> 01:02:19,078
written policy to

1343
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:21,520
know that

1344
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:24,599
misrepresenting each of us that were not

1345
01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:27,079
part of this in writing on Township

1346
01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:29,400
letterhead and making it an official

1347
01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:32,000
Township document claiming that we all

1348
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:34,240
knew about this is

1349
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,639
misrepresentation there how do we even

1350
01:02:34,239 --> 01:02:40,278
question whether or not that's ethical

1351
01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:40,278
that's just given that's

1352
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:48,318
it my comment wasn't about the ethical

1353
01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:51,038
nature my comment you just asked for

1354
01:02:48,318 --> 01:02:54,318
ethical standard can I can I clarify

1355
01:02:51,039 --> 01:02:56,200
please my comment was to understand

1356
01:02:54,318 --> 01:02:58,519
where the standards and ethics

1357
01:02:56,199 --> 01:03:00,759
guidelines are to which you're making

1358
01:02:58,519 --> 01:03:04,960
these charts and you're saying there

1359
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:06,760
isn't any and so that's fine I get your

1360
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:09,358
I get your question I'm not saying

1361
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,839
there's no ethical questions I'm simply

1362
01:03:09,358 --> 01:03:15,519
saying where's the documentation that

1363
01:03:11,838 --> 01:03:19,038
you're charging in these censure uh

1364
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:21,599
resolutions that's what I'm

1365
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:24,400
asking I haven't said anything all night

1366
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:26,119
but on January 3rd I sat right here and

1367
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:29,880
somebody asked Chuck about Planning

1368
01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:32,079
Commission he specifically said that the

1369
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:35,480
Planning Commission acts separate from

1370
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:38,079
the board and then 5 days later a letter

1371
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,838
was written I was pretty clear on that

1372
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:41,599
that we act separate the Planning

1373
01:03:39,838 --> 01:03:44,119
Commission acts separate from the board

1374
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:46,119
and we have no dictation of what they do

1375
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:50,440
am I right CH

1376
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:52,838
yes so I don't know why after you stated

1377
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:55,318
that that they went ahead and gave them

1378
01:03:52,838 --> 01:03:56,960
a letter after you said we have no

1379
01:03:55,318 --> 01:04:00,278
Authority over the Planning Commission

1380
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,278
am I correct on that

1381
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,559
yes so I didn't know that that's why I

1382
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:07,838
asked

1383
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:10,079
you so then the letter was written five

1384
01:04:07,838 --> 01:04:15,318
or six days after you recommended and

1385
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:15,318
said that we do not dictate what they

1386
01:04:15,358 --> 01:04:20,358
do you said about four things I

1387
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:24,559
apologize but oh I he said one thing

1388
01:04:20,358 --> 01:04:26,318
Chris he said that we do not clearly do

1389
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:28,480
not

1390
01:04:26,318 --> 01:04:32,000
have any jurisdiction or any guidance

1391
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:33,960
they act separately from us separately

1392
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:37,159
he said that right

1393
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:39,400
there he also and then five days later a

1394
01:04:37,159 --> 01:04:42,000
a letter was written this letter this

1395
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:46,160
letter right here that's what confuses

1396
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:48,119
me when our attorney who Zach said we

1397
01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:50,239
should talk to and I asked him that

1398
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:52,079
we've heard it right here and he stated

1399
01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:56,278
it and everybody heard it we were all

1400
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:58,160
here did you hear that when he said

1401
01:04:56,278 --> 01:05:00,719
that we act they act separate the

1402
01:04:58,159 --> 01:05:03,278
Planning Commission did you hear

1403
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:06,239
that yes or

1404
01:05:03,278 --> 01:05:08,278
no okay so it's January 3rd you sat

1405
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:12,719
right here Dean AR with there's two

1406
01:05:08,278 --> 01:05:16,199
things that you you asked is whether the

1407
01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:18,798
board has control over the Planning

1408
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:22,598
Commission and the answer is is the

1409
01:05:18,798 --> 01:05:25,400
board this board has control over all

1410
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:27,559
the things in the township the question

1411
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:30,160
that came up to with respond to him

1412
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:33,920
because I was the one proposing it was

1413
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:36,798
can the board provide direction to the

1414
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:40,358
Planning Commission of things to

1415
01:05:36,798 --> 01:05:41,440
cover and the attorney said yes they can

1416
01:05:40,358 --> 01:05:44,838
provide

1417
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:48,039
direction we can't tell them how to

1418
01:05:44,838 --> 01:05:50,358
decide on things we can't tell them what

1419
01:05:48,039 --> 01:05:52,839
to decide on things we can't tell them

1420
01:05:50,358 --> 01:05:55,000
what discussions uh and how the

1421
01:05:52,838 --> 01:05:56,519
discussion should go we don't control

1422
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:59,679
them there are separate entity

1423
01:05:56,519 --> 01:06:03,199
absolutely but don't confuse being

1424
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:07,798
allowing being allowed by law to provide

1425
01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:10,519
guidance we approve uh appointees and

1426
01:06:07,798 --> 01:06:14,199
the law clearly states as I read that we

1427
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:17,679
would approve removing board members

1428
01:06:14,199 --> 01:06:20,838
that doesn't constitute no

1429
01:06:17,679 --> 01:06:23,078
control this is this is a Mis this is a

1430
01:06:20,838 --> 01:06:25,318
misunderstanding there is it is a

1431
01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:26,278
mising do we control the Planning

1432
01:06:25,318 --> 01:06:30,038
Commission

1433
01:06:26,278 --> 01:06:30,039
no not any way shape or

1434
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:36,400
form we vote so we don't vote on

1435
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:38,920
appointees we don't vote to appoint

1436
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:41,119
people we but that doesn't mean we

1437
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:43,639
control them that's right that's where

1438
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:46,318
you three have to get out of your bra

1439
01:06:43,639 --> 01:06:48,598
control we control the Planning

1440
01:06:46,318 --> 01:06:51,159
Commission you just said it that's right

1441
01:06:48,599 --> 01:06:54,359
we do not control the Planning

1442
01:06:51,159 --> 01:06:57,440
Commission but there are things we do

1443
01:06:54,358 --> 01:07:00,199
that provide Direction and other things

1444
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:03,639
I'm trying to clarify because of

1445
01:07:00,199 --> 01:07:06,439
her it's Direction not control

1446
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:09,199
absolutely let's move on so going back

1447
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:11,720
to this letter it the bottom line is it

1448
01:07:09,199 --> 01:07:15,239
was a blatant violation of public trust

1449
01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:15,239
and the Ten of government

1450
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:20,760
transparency yes in our opinion you do

1451
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:22,559
not write a letter that says the time Ro

1452
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:27,520
Township

1453
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:27,519
Board did this we did not do that

1454
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:33,798
uh let's just so let's just vote please

1455
01:07:31,798 --> 01:07:36,199
we had we have this resolution at the

1456
01:07:33,798 --> 01:07:39,599
table I made a motion for that

1457
01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:43,239
resolution um censor of supervisor Greg

1458
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:46,359
KS Herman Ferguson second

1459
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:52,159
it we'll do a roll call

1460
01:07:46,358 --> 01:07:56,199
vote Dean hos n Chris Retta Nate Sarah

1461
01:07:52,159 --> 01:07:59,879
dolman Jersey yes Jennifer Eden yes

1462
01:07:56,199 --> 01:08:01,439
Greg carts no Herman Ferguson yes Pam

1463
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:06,599
offer

1464
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:06,599
yes resolution 2501 has

1465
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:19,039
passed thank you next we'll move on to

1466
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:19,039
the discussion of censor of trustee Dean

1467
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:26,319
H do we as a board need to have further

1468
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:28,679
discussion or are we ready

1469
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:28,679
for a

1470
01:08:29,079 --> 01:08:35,798
motion any want to me for supporting my

1471
01:08:31,798 --> 01:08:38,560
supervisor I'll D I'd like to know the

1472
01:08:35,798 --> 01:08:40,560
extent of the conversation that went on

1473
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,359
in the email between the three of you

1474
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:46,080
I've not seen that thread because I

1475
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:50,000
wasn't part of it I don't

1476
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:53,439
know um if there was feedback given if

1477
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:56,238
there was suggestions of language using

1478
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:58,678
the Township Board language

1479
01:08:56,238 --> 01:09:00,358
anguage can the three of you Enlighten

1480
01:08:58,679 --> 01:09:04,960
us please as

1481
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:04,960
to what specifically your involvement

1482
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:13,198
was

1483
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,399
transparency simar to the Stu you would

1484
01:09:13,198 --> 01:09:18,838
tell me

1485
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:22,719
Sarah it's okay hey hey hey hey hey hey

1486
01:09:18,838 --> 01:09:27,399
he can you repeat your question please

1487
01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:29,359
yeah I would like you and Dean and Greg

1488
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:32,158
to share with the rest of

1489
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:35,239
us what your involvement was in the

1490
01:09:32,158 --> 01:09:37,278
drafting of that letter Greg has said

1491
01:09:35,238 --> 01:09:39,119
there was email correspondence on

1492
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:42,000
December 8th and 9th while he was in

1493
01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:44,479
Florida he sent you a letter you offered

1494
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:47,399
feedback and I'm wondering did you offer

1495
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:49,559
suggestions of language how was it that

1496
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:53,759
you were

1497
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,759
involved yeah absolutely

1498
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:01,760
y so all three of you were aware that it

1499
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:04,079
seated that's speak for

1500
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:07,000
myself

1501
01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:09,000
sure why wouldn't we be involved yeah I

1502
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:11,079
mean it was absolutely and you were

1503
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,800
comfortable using language that stated

1504
01:10:11,079 --> 01:10:15,760
the Township

1505
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:17,679
Board was charging the planning

1506
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,520
Commissioners with nonfeasance knowing

1507
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:22,039
well that the Township Board was not

1508
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,040
part of that

1509
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:30,239
decision that's the L language that

1510
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:30,239
really hits hard

1511
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:43,520
Chris if a board makes a decision on

1512
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:45,239
something I am all for it I may not

1513
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:48,520
agree with it but if we make a decision

1514
01:10:45,238 --> 01:10:49,399
to do something but this is backhanded

1515
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:52,280
as it

1516
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:55,759
gets um the fact that I had to have two

1517
01:10:52,279 --> 01:10:58,479
phone calls um late at night after that

1518
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:00,159
meeting wondering what the heck was up

1519
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,158
with this letter that I knew nothing

1520
01:11:00,158 --> 01:11:03,439
about I'm like well I'm sorry but you're

1521
01:11:02,158 --> 01:11:04,639
going to have to bring it to the office

1522
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:07,238
in the morning because I don't know what

1523
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:10,320
you're talking about had no knowledge

1524
01:11:07,238 --> 01:11:14,439
well it says tyone Township Board is

1525
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:14,439
charging us with nonis

1526
01:11:14,679 --> 01:11:19,640
uh that UT utterly made every one of us

1527
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,000
look stupid because four of us didn't

1528
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:24,440
even know about

1529
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:26,238
it and I don't appreciate it and I think

1530
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:28,479
we've had those convers

1531
01:11:26,238 --> 01:11:30,599
ations I know it was an error that was

1532
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:35,319
made poor

1533
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:38,120
judgment stupidity perhaps

1534
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:40,880
um hopefully we can get past all this

1535
01:11:38,119 --> 01:11:44,719
and move forward as a board and learn

1536
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:47,719
from our mistakes and start doing some

1537
01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:47,719
business

1538
01:12:07,399 --> 01:12:10,119
so make a

1539
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:18,440
motion I guess I also would like to know

1540
01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:22,759
from the three of you how you feel at

1541
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:26,158
this point in time do you feel that you

1542
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:28,840
truly have done nothing wrong and

1543
01:12:26,158 --> 01:12:31,599
content

1544
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:33,239
with you're content with the choices

1545
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:36,440
you've

1546
01:12:33,238 --> 01:12:40,039
made and you feel that that

1547
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:43,079
has um somehow improved things for the

1548
01:12:40,039 --> 01:12:43,079
township and for the Planning

1549
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,800
Commission as mentioned in my

1550
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,840
introduction I think there's always room

1551
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:02,000
for

1552
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:04,880
improvement right that's what I said

1553
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:07,359
there's always room for improvement I I

1554
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:10,279
can't speak there there's always room

1555
01:13:07,359 --> 01:13:13,359
for improvement so that's what I

1556
01:13:10,279 --> 01:13:15,119
say do we need to take action when

1557
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:17,439
action and hold people accountable in

1558
01:13:15,119 --> 01:13:20,079
this Township

1559
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:23,638
absolutely this Township has not done a

1560
01:13:20,079 --> 01:13:25,279
very good job of watching over fiary

1561
01:13:23,639 --> 01:13:27,719
responsibilities

1562
01:13:25,279 --> 01:13:29,960
spending the taxpayer money and all of

1563
01:13:27,719 --> 01:13:33,840
these things the business of the

1564
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:37,800
township we have a lot of serious issues

1565
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:40,360
ahead of us as well can we improve

1566
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:42,400
absolutely I absolutely admit that we

1567
01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:43,279
can improve and that's what I look

1568
01:13:42,399 --> 01:13:45,679
forward

1569
01:13:43,279 --> 01:13:50,920
to

1570
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:50,920
okay me too yeah

1571
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:04,079
so what do you want to

1572
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:11,519
do we are you Sor gr are we going to

1573
01:14:09,198 --> 01:14:15,238
stop with just

1574
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:18,719
one no then make a

1575
01:14:15,238 --> 01:14:18,718
motion I make a

1576
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:27,039
motion it's either one or I mean zero or

1577
01:14:22,238 --> 01:14:27,039
all of is there a second

1578
01:14:30,359 --> 01:14:37,000
support okay we'll do a roll call vote

1579
01:14:33,158 --> 01:14:41,559
Herman Ferguson yes Jennifer Eden yes

1580
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:46,399
Greg CS no Chris Retta no Sarah dolman

1581
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:48,280
Jersey yes Dean hos no Pam offer yes Pam

1582
01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:51,599
does he have to state with the motion is

1583
01:14:48,279 --> 01:14:57,439
for yes a resolution

1584
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:57,440
2501 um of censor of trustee Dean

1585
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:06,639
H okay moving forward to discussion of

1586
01:15:03,238 --> 01:15:06,638
censor of trustee Chris

1587
01:15:09,719 --> 01:15:14,480
Reta do have any questions or further

1588
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:22,760
discussion no I make a

1589
01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:26,198
motion I I have concerns because Chris

1590
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:28,639
you in particular are

1591
01:15:26,198 --> 01:15:30,359
the newly appointed EX officio on the

1592
01:15:28,639 --> 01:15:32,719
Planning Commission which is the body

1593
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:38,000
that you were appointed to

1594
01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:40,600
serve and I I just

1595
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:43,279
um I feel like the actions that you've

1596
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:45,280
taken toward them have really

1597
01:15:43,279 --> 01:15:47,880
jeopardized that working

1598
01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:50,238
relationship so I'm bringing that up for

1599
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:53,079
discussion I don't know if anyone else

1600
01:15:50,238 --> 01:15:55,039
has strong feelings about that I have

1601
01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:58,519
concerns as well if you're involved in

1602
01:15:55,039 --> 01:16:01,119
this type of letter how can you

1603
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:03,080
um work with the Planning Commission

1604
01:16:01,119 --> 01:16:05,920
without being intimidating towards the

1605
01:16:03,079 --> 01:16:07,399
Planning Commission um I don't feel that

1606
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,158
that would be a good working

1607
01:16:07,399 --> 01:16:12,839
relationship and it would not benefit

1608
01:16:09,158 --> 01:16:17,960
our Township um with that type of I

1609
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:20,600
disagree I Chris has a

1610
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:25,880
incredible knowledge on that he has

1611
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:29,159
worked very hard uh it would be a severe

1612
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:30,760
mistake to pull him off as our our

1613
01:16:29,158 --> 01:16:35,599
representative on that Planning

1614
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:37,199
Commission a bad mistake and I I I we

1615
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,039
need to be more concerned with this

1616
01:16:37,198 --> 01:16:41,799
board getting working together than that

1617
01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:45,800
board that board is on its way to be in

1618
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:49,039
fine and I would not mess with it this

1619
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:51,360
board we got some we got some repairs to

1620
01:16:49,039 --> 01:16:55,039
do here so I hope you're going to be

1621
01:16:51,359 --> 01:16:55,039
involved in those repairs

1622
01:17:01,729 --> 01:17:06,198
[Music]

1623
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:14,760
Chuck in this in this

1624
01:17:11,719 --> 01:17:18,960
situation please quiet everyone in this

1625
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:22,719
situation so we have appointed as a

1626
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:26,679
board uh Mr Reta as ex official to the

1627
01:17:22,719 --> 01:17:29,639
Planning Commission can we SED that as a

1628
01:17:26,679 --> 01:17:32,960
board according to the Roberts Rules of

1629
01:17:29,639 --> 01:17:35,600
Order the appointment was made was it

1630
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:38,119
two meetings ago you can you speak in

1631
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:39,400
the microphone according to Robert's

1632
01:17:38,119 --> 01:17:40,880
Rules of Order which I think the

1633
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:43,759
township has

1634
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:46,119
adopted um the only way to go about that

1635
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:49,639
would be to at the same meeting that he

1636
01:17:46,119 --> 01:17:52,599
was appointed address it then or at the

1637
01:17:49,639 --> 01:17:55,279
immediately following meeting and so

1638
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:57,079
according to the Roberts Rules of Order

1639
01:17:55,279 --> 01:18:00,519
that mechanism is unavailable at this

1640
01:17:57,079 --> 01:18:04,279
point okay what options do we have how

1641
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:06,120
can we make that a good working

1642
01:18:04,279 --> 01:18:08,800
relationship are you asking me what

1643
01:18:06,119 --> 01:18:12,119
options you have to change the positions

1644
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:15,440
on the first to remove him from that

1645
01:18:12,119 --> 01:18:17,960
position the board could charge him with

1646
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:20,119
malfeasance nonfeasance

1647
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:22,399
misfeasance if the board charges them

1648
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:24,880
with that you would have a scheduled

1649
01:18:22,399 --> 01:18:27,519
public hearing they could answer the

1650
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:32,159
charges and after that public hearing

1651
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:32,159
the Township board can vote

1652
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:43,600
okay is that a discussion that we should

1653
01:18:39,319 --> 01:18:43,599
have and move forward with that

1654
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:48,960
yes I'd like to know what the commission

1655
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:52,039
thinks

1656
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:54,119
oh I don't know that we can are the

1657
01:18:52,039 --> 01:18:55,319
Planning Commission members here are all

1658
01:18:54,119 --> 01:18:57,119
of them here

1659
01:18:55,319 --> 01:18:59,679
well we should probably ask before we do

1660
01:18:57,119 --> 01:19:02,198
that if it's legal to ask them that is

1661
01:18:59,679 --> 01:19:04,639
it legal to ask them that their opinion

1662
01:19:02,198 --> 01:19:08,359
their opinion on or do we do that what I

1663
01:19:04,639 --> 01:19:10,039
would tell you first of all um you can

1664
01:19:08,359 --> 01:19:13,119
discuss this issue

1665
01:19:10,039 --> 01:19:15,399
tonight I would tell you that within the

1666
01:19:13,119 --> 01:19:18,000
time frame that we have in our

1667
01:19:15,399 --> 01:19:21,799
bylaws put it on your

1668
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:23,600
agenda to decide whether to charge then

1669
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,719
at the date of the public hearing

1670
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,920
anybody including the PC members would

1671
01:19:25,719 --> 01:19:29,800
have the opportunity to talk and

1672
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,399
obviously at the call of the public uh

1673
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,600
during a regular meeting they can voice

1674
01:19:31,399 --> 01:19:36,599
their opinions there

1675
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,600
too

1676
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:43,000
okay as a board do we want that on our

1677
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:43,000
next agenda

1678
01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:49,479
yes

1679
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:53,199
stion doesn't have to be a motion the

1680
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:56,638
agenda it no it doesn't have have to be

1681
01:19:53,198 --> 01:19:56,638
a motion to be put on the agenda

1682
01:19:57,039 --> 01:20:00,760
just in a conversation are you on board

1683
01:19:59,238 --> 01:20:03,439
with that Sarah I'm on board with a

1684
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:05,000
conversation yeah

1685
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:08,960
GRE

1686
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:12,600
sure Jennifer y Dean I'm on board with a

1687
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:14,198
conversation sure yes could you clarify

1688
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,400
again what what we're supposed to be on

1689
01:20:14,198 --> 01:20:19,799
board with or

1690
01:20:15,399 --> 01:20:23,479
not having a conversation um on our next

1691
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:25,159
board meeting having it on the agenda to

1692
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:28,158
discuss um

1693
01:20:25,158 --> 01:20:31,198
a public hearing to remove you as ex

1694
01:20:28,158 --> 01:20:35,000
officio to the Planning Commission

1695
01:20:31,198 --> 01:20:35,000
sure for male Fe

1696
01:20:35,399 --> 01:20:40,279
since okay well then we'll put it on our

1697
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,279
next

1698
01:20:43,158 --> 01:20:49,079
agenda okay so we're on the resolution

1699
01:20:46,158 --> 01:20:53,638
of censor of trustee Chris Retta is

1700
01:20:49,079 --> 01:20:55,559
there a motion I make a motion

1701
01:20:53,639 --> 01:20:59,679
okay for

1702
01:20:55,560 --> 01:21:01,400
2501 of censor of trustee Chris Retta is

1703
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:03,679
there a

1704
01:21:01,399 --> 01:21:06,039
second

1705
01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:10,158
support okay we'll do a roll call vote

1706
01:21:06,039 --> 01:21:14,119
Greg CS no Sarah dolman Jersey yes Chris

1707
01:21:10,158 --> 01:21:19,879
Retta no Herman Ferguson yes Jennifer

1708
01:21:14,119 --> 01:21:19,880
Eden yes Dean hos no Pam mler

1709
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:28,039
yes can you

1710
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,039
Sarah

1711
01:21:31,319 --> 01:21:35,840
Sarah okay moving on to new business

1712
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:38,400
number four request of Trustees for

1713
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:41,119
Township email addresses laptops phones

1714
01:21:38,399 --> 01:21:41,119
and business

1715
01:21:50,279 --> 01:21:55,039
cards who made the

1716
01:21:52,679 --> 01:22:00,840
request the

1717
01:21:55,039 --> 01:22:00,840
Mr Reta requested a laptop cell

1718
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:10,520
pH did you want to leave that discussion

1719
01:22:05,198 --> 01:22:12,839
Greg um sure sure I I

1720
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:16,239
uh talked

1721
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:16,239
to with an

1722
01:22:16,319 --> 01:22:25,319
attorney um actually

1723
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:28,760
Laura Foster Swift and um regarding this

1724
01:22:25,319 --> 01:22:32,880
rals well I talked to her Municipal

1725
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:35,560
conflict of interest um to and she I I

1726
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:41,319
just asked her about

1727
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:47,639
uh What uh other townships do and um she

1728
01:22:41,319 --> 01:22:49,359
told me that uh email uh addresses were

1729
01:22:47,639 --> 01:22:51,000
were pretty

1730
01:22:49,359 --> 01:22:57,639
typical

1731
01:22:51,000 --> 01:23:02,000
um um laptops no um phones mobile phones

1732
01:22:57,639 --> 01:23:04,600
yes and she couldn't really answer the

1733
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,600
the business

1734
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:11,800
card I I I really just the uh recall her

1735
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:13,119
saying that the township email addresses

1736
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,880
were

1737
01:23:13,119 --> 01:23:17,039
definitely

1738
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:19,359
um

1739
01:23:17,039 --> 01:23:24,119
uh what other

1740
01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:24,119
townships recommend or do

1741
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,639
can I ask our Municipal attorney that's

1742
01:23:28,039 --> 01:23:31,279
sitting here to my left his thoughts

1743
01:23:29,639 --> 01:23:33,039
about that and whether or

1744
01:23:31,279 --> 01:23:35,920
not

1745
01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:39,560
sure I I've already had a conversation

1746
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:39,560
with a couple of the trustees

1747
01:23:39,639 --> 01:23:45,719
not I I've had a discussion with a

1748
01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:48,840
couple of Trustees where I did recommend

1749
01:23:45,719 --> 01:23:51,679
that the board members have Township

1750
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:54,719
email addresses and that all business

1751
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:57,960
that is all Communications I should say

1752
01:23:54,719 --> 01:24:00,920
say relating to the township go through

1753
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:04,719
those emails as opposed to

1754
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:07,199
privates can you explain why because the

1755
01:24:04,719 --> 01:24:11,158
documents that you are creating through

1756
01:24:07,198 --> 01:24:14,319
those emails are public

1757
01:24:11,158 --> 01:24:17,559
records if there were ever a lawsuit by

1758
01:24:14,319 --> 01:24:19,519
anybody claiming that the uh records

1759
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:23,000
retention act has been

1760
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:24,719
violated or there has been a lack of a

1761
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,679
proper response to the free of

1762
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:30,239
Information Act

1763
01:24:26,679 --> 01:24:33,520
request and if that lawsuit is filed

1764
01:24:30,238 --> 01:24:37,158
then if personal devices with personal

1765
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:40,800
emails are used they are subject to

1766
01:24:37,158 --> 01:24:43,920
subpoena which means all of your phones

1767
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:47,520
could be examined and everything on it

1768
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:51,319
potentially could be made

1769
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:55,639
public furthermore by using a Township

1770
01:24:51,319 --> 01:24:59,399
email address it is much easier here to

1771
01:24:55,639 --> 01:25:02,039
be able to gather Township records and

1772
01:24:59,399 --> 01:25:05,559
keep them as

1773
01:25:02,039 --> 01:25:08,000
required so I recommend I recommended

1774
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:11,719
within the last month that the township

1775
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:13,960
have email addresses assigned for the

1776
01:25:11,719 --> 01:25:18,039
trustees

1777
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:20,840
sense what is to prevent a board member

1778
01:25:18,039 --> 01:25:23,079
from having a Township email address to

1779
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:26,800
conduct Township

1780
01:25:23,079 --> 01:25:26,800
business um but

1781
01:25:27,279 --> 01:25:33,079
then trusting those individuals to not

1782
01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:36,639
be conducting their Township business

1783
01:25:33,079 --> 01:25:38,600
with their personal email outside of

1784
01:25:36,639 --> 01:25:42,239
those parameters unfortunately there

1785
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:45,760
there's no guarantee there isn't um you

1786
01:25:42,238 --> 01:25:47,198
know and so if if people are to use

1787
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:50,079
private

1788
01:25:47,198 --> 01:25:51,638
emails um if they're ever caught because

1789
01:25:50,079 --> 01:25:53,519
of a

1790
01:25:51,639 --> 01:25:57,239
lawsuit you know that's potential

1791
01:25:53,520 --> 01:26:01,080
liability to the Township and them

1792
01:25:57,238 --> 01:26:06,198
individually um you know

1793
01:26:01,079 --> 01:26:08,920
I I have reviewed parts of the law

1794
01:26:06,198 --> 01:26:11,799
recently and not only could the township

1795
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:14,520
be liable and be hit with a civil

1796
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:17,159
penalty which could include the payment

1797
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:18,920
of a lawyer's attorney fees who

1798
01:26:17,158 --> 01:26:20,039
represented a member of the public suing

1799
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:23,840
the

1800
01:26:20,039 --> 01:26:25,880
township but a a Township Board member

1801
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:28,719
who

1802
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:30,960
falsifies that they have provided public

1803
01:26:28,719 --> 01:26:32,279
records in response to a Freedom of

1804
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:36,079
Information Act

1805
01:26:32,279 --> 01:26:36,079
request they could be charged

1806
01:26:36,279 --> 01:26:41,559
criminally and so while there's no

1807
01:26:38,238 --> 01:26:43,959
guarantees there's plenty of

1808
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:45,159
incentive to keep your personal business

1809
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:48,158
separate from that of the public

1810
01:26:45,158 --> 01:26:48,158
business

1811
01:26:55,198 --> 01:26:57,519
so

1812
01:26:58,399 --> 01:27:07,039
no so you vot

1813
01:27:02,359 --> 01:27:10,198
individually each one computer phone

1814
01:27:07,039 --> 01:27:11,960
email business cards or just know on

1815
01:27:10,198 --> 01:27:14,559
everything I just had one comment I

1816
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:16,079
don't mind the email addresses I get

1817
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:19,440
that

1818
01:27:16,079 --> 01:27:21,719
um the the trustees are not supposed to

1819
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:23,839
be conducting business outside of this

1820
01:27:21,719 --> 01:27:26,520
boardroom so I'm not sure why you would

1821
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:28,360
need a lap time laptop phones or

1822
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,440
business cards because who are you

1823
01:27:28,359 --> 01:27:32,920
handing them

1824
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:34,000
to um because we're conducting our

1825
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:36,840
business

1826
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:39,279
here that's just my thoughts but I don't

1827
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:41,199
have a problem with the email addresses

1828
01:27:39,279 --> 01:27:43,479
I don't either I don't need have it

1829
01:27:41,198 --> 01:27:46,439
doesn't cost anything well it does it

1830
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:49,279
does it does it it'll be uh about 12

1831
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:51,759
bucks a month per email address and the

1832
01:27:49,279 --> 01:27:52,880
and the IT people have to set it up and

1833
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:56,119
all

1834
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,118
that yeah

1835
01:27:57,118 --> 01:28:01,599
not a big expense for making it easier

1836
01:27:59,399 --> 01:28:04,559
for right

1837
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:07,360
right Township record I

1838
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:08,760
guess so what we do great on each one so

1839
01:28:07,359 --> 01:28:12,639
we're going to go ahead with the email

1840
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:15,159
what about the computer phone business

1841
01:28:12,639 --> 01:28:17,079
cards are these separate things yeah I

1842
01:28:15,158 --> 01:28:19,000
think you can there's no reason you

1843
01:28:17,079 --> 01:28:21,399
can't vote on them individually okay

1844
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:25,479
we'll start with the emails I make a

1845
01:28:21,399 --> 01:28:31,920
motion we accept the emails

1846
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:31,919
support all in favor I I I

1847
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:39,880
oppose all right um what about the

1848
01:28:36,639 --> 01:28:41,480
laptops no I don't support that expense

1849
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:44,840
I don't think it's

1850
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,839
necessary let's

1851
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:50,600
vote all in favor of the but we don't

1852
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:54,839
have to make a a vote on it if no one's

1853
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:58,840
making a motion on it oh yeah motion for

1854
01:28:54,840 --> 01:29:01,800
laptop no you want to make a motion

1855
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:04,319
okay laptops are off did you want to

1856
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:07,199
make a motion oh I'm okay if you guys

1857
01:29:04,319 --> 01:29:10,479
it's clear you guys aren't laptops off

1858
01:29:07,198 --> 01:29:10,479
okay uh

1859
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:20,360
phones I got a motion for phones a

1860
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:20,359
motion for a phone I got a

1861
01:29:22,118 --> 01:29:30,960
second all right uh phones are off and

1862
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:30,960
then uh do I got a motion for business

1863
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:40,000
cards a motion for business

1864
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:44,480
cards it was my request yeah of course

1865
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:46,439
uh no second okay business cards are off

1866
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:50,718
to

1867
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:53,719
so Township eail addresses for uh the

1868
01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:53,719
trustees

1869
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:58,399
so they'll be supplied to all four

1870
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:02,960
trustees yes

1871
01:29:58,399 --> 01:30:06,079
okay all right on to uh number five the

1872
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:07,719
the uh Peg funding

1873
01:30:06,079 --> 01:30:10,519
yes

1874
01:30:07,719 --> 01:30:13,719
join well

1875
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:15,920
um does everybody understand what Peg

1876
01:30:13,719 --> 01:30:19,279
funding is all

1877
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:24,000
about I I have some questions about it

1878
01:30:19,279 --> 01:30:25,800
okay and if if if if nobody Minds I

1879
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:28,600
reviewed the documentation and I've

1880
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:32,239
looked at the peg funding before so I

1881
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:35,400
kind of got and understand that we give

1882
01:30:32,238 --> 01:30:36,718
the school systems and potentially parks

1883
01:30:35,399 --> 01:30:39,279
and other people but we don't have

1884
01:30:36,719 --> 01:30:42,960
anything going to those but is this a

1885
01:30:39,279 --> 01:30:45,319
mandate use of taxes by state law or by

1886
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:48,000
county law good good question this is

1887
01:30:45,319 --> 01:30:50,719
where Jennifer can help you because this

1888
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:53,079
really isn't our money it's not our

1889
01:30:50,719 --> 01:30:55,118
money no no I understand explain the

1890
01:30:53,079 --> 01:30:57,399
whole process

1891
01:30:55,118 --> 01:31:00,000
sorry um you know what's great is she's

1892
01:30:57,399 --> 01:31:02,238
on that the chair of the board chair of

1893
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:05,279
the board of the fact which is Fenton

1894
01:31:02,238 --> 01:31:08,678
area cable television custum so what

1895
01:31:05,279 --> 01:31:10,960
happens is the state mandated the cable

1896
01:31:08,679 --> 01:31:13,840
companies to charge a fee and then they

1897
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:17,840
give that back to us so we get a check

1898
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:19,319
um from spectrum and from AT&T um but

1899
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:23,920
those funds can only be used for

1900
01:31:19,319 --> 01:31:26,238
educational purposes on equipment so the

1901
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:28,520
Fenton area or the fact group Fenton

1902
01:31:26,238 --> 01:31:32,238
area cable television cardium they

1903
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:34,560
started in Fenton um is includes Lyon

1904
01:31:32,238 --> 01:31:37,718
Schools um Heartland we brought in

1905
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:41,080
Heartland schools um lynon Fenton and

1906
01:31:37,719 --> 01:31:44,520
Lake Fenton um schools

1907
01:31:41,079 --> 01:31:47,880
so all of them combined um we each get

1908
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:51,360
monies and it shows you on let's

1909
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:55,440
see so you can tell so last year on the

1910
01:31:51,359 --> 01:31:58,039
top of that list annual Peg fee receipts

1911
01:31:55,439 --> 01:32:01,439
yep um the four of us received

1912
01:31:58,039 --> 01:32:05,198
238,000 Tyrone Township you see we um

1913
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:08,439
gain 42,1 163 based on that as a

1914
01:32:05,198 --> 01:32:10,719
percentage of what we give out you know

1915
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:13,599
fent in Township you'll see receed more

1916
01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:16,399
so they pay out a more bigger percentage

1917
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:18,679
of what's given or offered so those

1918
01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:21,319
monies can only go to the schools and as

1919
01:32:18,679 --> 01:32:23,880
you can see you can see the applications

1920
01:32:21,319 --> 01:32:26,639
um we have a streamline we have

1921
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:29,079
inventories each school has an inventory

1922
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:31,760
um if someone let's say Heartland isn't

1923
01:32:29,079 --> 01:32:33,479
using two cameras and Fenton can use

1924
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:35,840
them then we remove them from this

1925
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:38,399
inventory we transfer them within good

1926
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:41,360
so if they're asking for them and and U

1927
01:32:38,399 --> 01:32:45,000
Michael Fox is our Peg coordinat I

1928
01:32:41,359 --> 01:32:48,639
saw website that you guys have

1929
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:49,639
where wasn't using they can school has

1930
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:52,359
the

1931
01:32:49,639 --> 01:32:54,359
inventory uh each other's inventories

1932
01:32:52,359 --> 01:32:58,000
and Michael has everybody's

1933
01:32:54,359 --> 01:33:00,319
two c in you see there's two and they

1934
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:02,719
can even rent them or not rent them but

1935
01:33:00,319 --> 01:33:04,679
check them out so a student checks these

1936
01:33:02,719 --> 01:33:09,679
out so they're used for their video

1937
01:33:04,679 --> 01:33:11,399
audio um classes their computer classes

1938
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:14,840
um so

1939
01:33:11,399 --> 01:33:16,359
it's it it's really streamlined like

1940
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:19,000
their inventory everything has to have a

1941
01:33:16,359 --> 01:33:22,158
label on it when it comes in the new it

1942
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:24,198
gets a barcode so wherever it is the

1943
01:33:22,158 --> 01:33:26,238
school knows where it's at if one comes

1944
01:33:24,198 --> 01:33:28,919
up missing then they have to replace it

1945
01:33:26,238 --> 01:33:31,959
if a kid if I checked it out and I lost

1946
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:35,039
it guess what I'm paying for it right so

1947
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:38,399
it's um and then they get to so they get

1948
01:33:35,039 --> 01:33:39,800
to P the request it's very streamlined

1949
01:33:38,399 --> 01:33:42,158
if they don't need it if might thinks

1950
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:46,159
they don't need it couple of the schools

1951
01:33:42,158 --> 01:33:48,759
act asked for acting costumes and we

1952
01:33:46,158 --> 01:33:52,559
said no that wasn't happening so those

1953
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:54,440
were removed um um well to them they're

1954
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:56,600
important right but to me they're not

1955
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:58,638
educational equipment you know we don't

1956
01:33:56,600 --> 01:34:00,880
need a costume we don't need fruit in a

1957
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:03,960
bowl that was one of the things asked

1958
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:07,118
for um so they are they are streamlined

1959
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:09,840
but it isn't our monies it is um for

1960
01:34:07,118 --> 01:34:12,519
only that group it's one of those funds

1961
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:16,360
that is um dictated of what you can

1962
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:17,159
spend those monies on so this year um

1963
01:34:16,359 --> 01:34:19,839
the

1964
01:34:17,158 --> 01:34:22,118
schools F Fenton area public schools

1965
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:24,679
Lake Fenton Lyon Heartland Southern

1966
01:34:22,118 --> 01:34:26,719
Lakes parks and Rex and and then the fat

1967
01:34:24,679 --> 01:34:28,760
coordinator if he needs something um

1968
01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:30,880
only the three of them four of them

1969
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:34,760
excuse me have asked for something and

1970
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:36,960
our amount is what I'm asking for asking

1971
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:42,000
the board to

1972
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:44,118
um pass is the 35,000 556 you may have

1973
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:46,399
noticed that Harland is only solely

1974
01:34:44,118 --> 01:34:49,399
under Tyrone Township and that is

1975
01:34:46,399 --> 01:34:52,039
because we invited them into this group

1976
01:34:49,399 --> 01:34:53,359
and we take Initiative for them because

1977
01:34:52,039 --> 01:34:55,800
we are the only ones that we collect

1978
01:34:53,359 --> 01:34:59,799
their tax money for we get that Revenue

1979
01:34:55,800 --> 01:35:02,639
we get the cable for that so we do a

1980
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:05,480
21% we pay theirs and then we get a

1981
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:07,560
lower amount on everybody else's to make

1982
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:09,799
up for it and so this as you mentioned

1983
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:12,320
the monies for this 35,000 are

1984
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:14,600
reimbursed To Us by the it's not

1985
01:35:12,319 --> 01:35:16,920
reimbursed it's already in a fund it's

1986
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:20,119
in a fund yes so we have currently in

1987
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:20,118
the fund is

1988
01:35:20,399 --> 01:35:26,118
$425,000 okay so we're not we're not

1989
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:26,880
charging our residence in that sense uh

1990
01:35:26,118 --> 01:35:30,439
this

1991
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:32,600
$35,000 and then no it comes solely from

1992
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:35,439
the cable TVs it's a fee that the state

1993
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:39,000
mandated them um

1994
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:42,439
to charge every consumer that has it

1995
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:43,960
residents yeah res pay for it they give

1996
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:46,399
it to their cable company and then the

1997
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:49,198
cable company gives it back to

1998
01:35:46,399 --> 01:35:52,439
us right all right so it's a it's it's

1999
01:35:49,198 --> 01:35:54,399
not the direc right and right and am I

2000
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:57,439
clear in my understanding we actually

2001
01:35:54,399 --> 01:36:01,158
have more money in our

2002
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:03,919
fund we have to give up right so it's

2003
01:36:01,158 --> 01:36:07,039
it's an ongoing fund that grow some

2004
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:10,118
years they ask for more some years um

2005
01:36:07,039 --> 01:36:12,880
they ask for Less I mean it's a is one

2006
01:36:10,118 --> 01:36:15,000
time ask I mean once a year we do that

2007
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:17,359
once a year yes once a year unless they

2008
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:19,359
have something that happens um unless

2009
01:36:17,359 --> 01:36:22,519
say their building gets hit by power and

2010
01:36:19,359 --> 01:36:24,639
they lose like Chang as yeah right then

2011
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:28,080
they make but typically it's done once a

2012
01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:30,000
year at this time um and then they have

2013
01:36:28,079 --> 01:36:32,118
they order the equipment we all approve

2014
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:34,198
them and then they order the equipment

2015
01:36:32,118 --> 01:36:36,000
by the end of the school year and get it

2016
01:36:34,198 --> 01:36:39,238
submitted so next year it's all up and

2017
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:41,198
running by August when they start school

2018
01:36:39,238 --> 01:36:44,718
okay sounds good did I answer

2019
01:36:41,198 --> 01:36:46,839
everybody's question yeah yeah thank you

2020
01:36:44,719 --> 01:36:48,960
I was also looking at a little bit

2021
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:51,319
introspectively about reporting and

2022
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:53,920
stuff to see if any of the people taking

2023
01:36:51,319 --> 01:36:55,719
these classes actually had the impact of

2024
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:58,440
what they were saying you know like to

2025
01:36:55,719 --> 01:37:00,118
impact Community television or right

2026
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,759
actually a couple of them are working at

2027
01:37:00,118 --> 01:37:03,719
the news station well that's that was

2028
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:05,880
what my question was is it see the

2029
01:37:03,719 --> 01:37:09,560
results of the actually the board

2030
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:11,480
request to go and look at bu at our next

2031
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:15,080
fact meeting if you guys would want to

2032
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:18,519
join um You Can Be Our Guest and go in

2033
01:37:15,079 --> 01:37:20,519
there and their studios are phenomenal

2034
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:24,480
Lake Fenton and Heartland even well

2035
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:26,480
Fenton too um they're very nice and to

2036
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:29,079
see the kids sitting down and what they

2037
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:31,919
can they streamline most of them are

2038
01:37:29,079 --> 01:37:35,679
doing um little segments before school

2039
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:39,800
starts um they go you know ask advice of

2040
01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:42,079
teachers or um ask the kids you know

2041
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:44,480
take a poll or whatever but um they're

2042
01:37:42,079 --> 01:37:46,238
really engaged and to see them sitting

2043
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:49,039
down we got to view some of the classes

2044
01:37:46,238 --> 01:37:50,959
to see them sitting down and in using

2045
01:37:49,039 --> 01:37:53,560
the equipment that we're able to offer

2046
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:56,319
them to teach them and train them and

2047
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:59,320
their video in it it's great it's great

2048
01:37:56,319 --> 01:38:00,920
to see I I'd like to see kids excited

2049
01:37:59,319 --> 01:38:05,118
sure about those kind of fact that's

2050
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:05,118
great thank you I don't have any other

2051
01:38:08,198 --> 01:38:14,799
questions all right I'm looking for a

2052
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:19,679
motion to approve the

2053
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:25,440
35556 for Peg funding I make a motion

2054
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:25,440
second all in favor I I

2055
01:38:25,599 --> 01:38:27,840
all

2056
01:38:29,238 --> 01:38:34,328
right miscellaneous

2057
01:38:31,289 --> 01:38:34,328
[Music]

2058
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:43,719
business all right

2059
01:38:39,118 --> 01:38:45,839
and uh Mr supervisor um we should have

2060
01:38:43,719 --> 01:38:48,679
on our next

2061
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:51,760
agenda the issue of the appeal to the

2062
01:38:48,679 --> 01:38:54,840
Circuit Court from the township decision

2063
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:56,440
to deny a zoning very and I think it's

2064
01:38:54,840 --> 01:39:01,440
uh

2065
01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:04,439
Anderson as I recall okay y um there has

2066
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:07,799
been an offer made by the other side to

2067
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:11,839
settle another off pardon no it's the

2068
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:13,960
same one that I advised existed okay and

2069
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:16,960
and uh I would recommend that we go in

2070
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:17,880
close session to discuss strategy on

2071
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:20,439
that

2072
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:24,039
case we do have another appeal that's

2073
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:26,000
pending we don't have any offers from

2074
01:39:24,039 --> 01:39:27,800
the other side we don't even have an

2075
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:30,158
oral argument date as I

2076
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:32,560
recall uh for the disposition of that

2077
01:39:30,158 --> 01:39:33,359
case so that does not need to be done at

2078
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,520
this

2079
01:39:33,359 --> 01:39:38,238
point

2080
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:39,920
um so I you know request at the next

2081
01:39:38,238 --> 01:39:41,879
board meeting we discuss that appeal

2082
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:44,719
that one appeal I think it's

2083
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:48,359
Anderson the yeah on the zoning issue

2084
01:39:44,719 --> 01:39:52,279
the zba thing yeah okay yeah I'm

2085
01:39:48,359 --> 01:39:54,238
I'm okay all right well you now talk

2086
01:39:52,279 --> 01:39:57,118
about that and then we'll get on the get

2087
01:39:54,238 --> 01:39:57,118
it on the agenda

2088
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:03,439
yep all

2089
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:08,080
right any other miscellaneous business

2090
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:08,079
then we'll do public remarks go ahead

2091
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:13,520
Scott all right okay Grant was good you

2092
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:16,599
guys actually saw smiled and had a

2093
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:19,880
conversation and work together it was

2094
01:40:16,599 --> 01:40:22,159
great all right um I he I talked to a

2095
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:25,079
lot of people since all this has went

2096
01:40:22,158 --> 01:40:27,238
down and I was one one of the ones most

2097
01:40:25,079 --> 01:40:29,840
disappointed in the bunch because I

2098
01:40:27,238 --> 01:40:30,959
fought hard for years to get things done

2099
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:33,920
in this

2100
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:36,880
Township

2101
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:38,560
um I've heard lawsuits and the only one

2102
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:39,599
you're going to sue I talked to Kevin

2103
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:43,199
the only one you're going to sue is the

2104
01:40:39,599 --> 01:40:45,039
people people didn't do this Greg took

2105
01:40:43,198 --> 01:40:46,799
responsibility he stood up there and

2106
01:40:45,039 --> 01:40:50,840
told us he put the letter

2107
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:53,079
up so we got he made a confession today

2108
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:56,279
okay and Jennifer says hey we got to all

2109
01:40:53,079 --> 01:40:59,840
work together so in the future let's

2110
01:40:56,279 --> 01:41:02,679
work together okay a centur was only

2111
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:04,119
they had to separate themselves from it

2112
01:41:02,679 --> 01:41:06,239
that's legal I mean I can understand

2113
01:41:04,118 --> 01:41:08,439
what a centur is so I mean it's not it's

2114
01:41:06,238 --> 01:41:10,559
a slap on the hand I mean but the

2115
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:12,598
lawsuit for these guys I mean like I

2116
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:13,679
brought up earlier the Planning

2117
01:41:12,599 --> 01:41:16,480
Commission made a

2118
01:41:13,679 --> 01:41:18,239
mistake and the lawyer corrected told

2119
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:20,238
the board about it and said they made a

2120
01:41:18,238 --> 01:41:24,519
mistake they never said offered that to

2121
01:41:20,238 --> 01:41:26,158
Susan AB so we're going to make mistakes

2122
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:28,080
so let's take care of it but the second

2123
01:41:26,158 --> 01:41:30,479
thing is who's going to take Chris's

2124
01:41:28,079 --> 01:41:33,118
place that's all I want to

2125
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:35,319
know one you guys before you make this

2126
01:41:33,118 --> 01:41:38,598
discussion find out who wants to do the

2127
01:41:35,319 --> 01:41:41,639
job okay well whatever I don't care I'm

2128
01:41:38,599 --> 01:41:45,199
not stop stop we're not I'm not taking

2129
01:41:41,639 --> 01:41:49,480
sides I'm one in the middle that's hold

2130
01:41:45,198 --> 01:41:51,719
on I'm let me talk okay she likes to we

2131
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:53,839
all speak out listen it's temperamental

2132
01:41:51,719 --> 01:41:55,599
right now it's a lot lot of political

2133
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:57,039
crap going on I want to stay in the

2134
01:41:55,599 --> 01:42:00,279
middle

2135
01:41:57,039 --> 01:42:02,359
okay I am um very

2136
01:42:00,279 --> 01:42:04,198
disappointed in stuff that I learned

2137
01:42:02,359 --> 01:42:05,799
during the election process and I came

2138
01:42:04,198 --> 01:42:08,000
in and talk to a few

2139
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:10,199
people I want to I hope we can put the

2140
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:12,198
other stuff behind the punishments been

2141
01:42:10,198 --> 01:42:13,519
handed down and if the planing

2142
01:42:12,198 --> 01:42:15,000
commission wants to Sue this Township

2143
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:17,239
then I think people are going to be a

2144
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,560
little bit upset because you're suing us

2145
01:42:17,238 --> 01:42:21,399
you want to take money out of my hand

2146
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:25,119
keep paying the lawyer he's loving

2147
01:42:21,399 --> 01:42:26,598
it and I'm not blaming

2148
01:42:25,118 --> 01:42:30,839
anyways

2149
01:42:26,599 --> 01:42:33,960
um let me get the mic during the

2150
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:36,760
election Greg we talked to you you told

2151
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:39,198
us you wanted to run and you told us you

2152
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:41,840
were going to sit down and talk to Mike

2153
01:42:39,198 --> 01:42:44,559
and informed him you were running I did

2154
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:46,079
and you wanted to be a man about it all

2155
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:48,800
right you didn't want to do it behind

2156
01:42:46,079 --> 01:42:50,439
his back all right now I don't know if

2157
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:52,639
this is true but I've asked you a couple

2158
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:55,678
times and I think this because it's

2159
01:42:52,639 --> 01:42:58,000
election Integrity were you you told me

2160
01:42:55,679 --> 01:43:00,679
I said did were you offered a deputy job

2161
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:03,479
and you told us yes in the meeting that

2162
01:43:00,679 --> 01:43:05,000
you were offered Deputy job not to run

2163
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:07,359
he that's what you that's the question I

2164
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:10,000
asked you is was that

2165
01:43:07,359 --> 01:43:12,279
true when I yes or

2166
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:14,000
no well I want to answer because it

2167
01:43:12,279 --> 01:43:15,840
makes a difference the only reason I'm

2168
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:20,158
saying he

2169
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:24,960
said I could hire you as a deputy

2170
01:43:20,158 --> 01:43:29,000
supervisor okay and I said really

2171
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:30,760
yeah okay and how would that work well I

2172
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:33,079
could help I could train you how would

2173
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:35,280
how would that how much would that okay

2174
01:43:33,079 --> 01:43:37,000
me finish how much would that pay I

2175
01:43:35,279 --> 01:43:39,000
don't know 20 grand okay that's fine

2176
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:43,118
that was the extent of I want to know is

2177
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:44,880
was offered okay that is bribery I'm

2178
01:43:43,118 --> 01:43:48,000
going to tell you why because it was

2179
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:49,440
done in June and I've check I come in

2180
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:51,359
here cuz everybody says come and talk to

2181
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:53,678
us and I've talked to Pam and I talked

2182
01:43:51,359 --> 01:43:55,158
to Jennifer and I've talked a couple

2183
01:43:53,679 --> 01:43:58,158
other people that worked

2184
01:43:55,158 --> 01:44:01,158
here okay and you know what the excuse I

2185
01:43:58,158 --> 01:44:02,319
got he offered to train afterwards let

2186
01:44:01,158 --> 01:44:05,719
me tell you something if you're running

2187
01:44:02,319 --> 01:44:09,238
for supervisor and you offer a man a job

2188
01:44:05,719 --> 01:44:11,480
using Township money in June what are

2189
01:44:09,238 --> 01:44:14,118
you training him for are you retired he

2190
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:15,519
ran he put big bigle bar signs in all

2191
01:44:14,118 --> 01:44:18,439
these businesses

2192
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:19,239
yards this is briary these are election

2193
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:21,598
law

2194
01:44:19,238 --> 01:44:23,959
violations why isn't this being taken

2195
01:44:21,599 --> 01:44:27,520
care of I'm sorry to me it's it's a

2196
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:29,520
bribe I'm sorry it's okay Scott I'm

2197
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:32,920
sorry somebody off if you go someone

2198
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:32,920
tries to offer somebody

2199
01:44:37,679 --> 01:44:40,800
money all

2200
01:44:43,399 --> 01:44:49,359
right I think you guys should revisit

2201
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:51,480
the voting on a cell phone or a laptop a

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01:44:49,359 --> 01:44:53,719
cell phone will cost monthly a laptop is

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a one-time purchase but I think

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01:44:53,719 --> 01:44:59,480
after what he said about now you have a

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Township email are you going to check it

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01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:04,158
on your personal cell phone because as

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soon as you do you're opening your

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01:45:04,158 --> 01:45:10,399
personal cell phone up to

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subpoena so I personally would not open

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a Township email on my cell phone or my

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01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:18,158
home computer or anything else that I

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01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:20,639
personally own I think you should uh

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revisit maybe getting what's a laptop

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01:45:20,639 --> 01:45:24,400
cost 800 bucks and it's a onetime

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01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:27,678
purchase and you're

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01:45:24,399 --> 01:45:29,000
done I would rethink that all right

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01:45:27,679 --> 01:45:32,000
thank

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you

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okay uh anybody

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01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:45,359
else looks like it's you

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Jen come on

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Jam um Janette

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Retta um um so I'm obviously deeply

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01:45:55,118 --> 01:45:58,920
disappointed by the decision to move

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forward with the cental

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01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:03,399
resolutions um these men have worked

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tirelessly to bring transparency and

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accountability speaking to the

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microphone

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[Music]

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sure start my time again

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01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:20,158
please can restart the clock

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01:46:17,359 --> 01:46:23,920
please let reset it

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01:46:20,158 --> 01:46:25,559
yeah thank you I'm deeply disappointed

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01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:27,520
by the decision to move forward with the

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01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:30,080
cental resolutions against Greg Dean and

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01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:32,159
Chris tonight um these men have worked

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01:46:30,079 --> 01:46:34,679
tirelessly to bring transparency and

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01:46:32,158 --> 01:46:36,559
accountability to Tyrone Township and

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this decision feels like a deliberate

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01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:40,719
attempt to silence them for doing what

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01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:44,039
they were elected to

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01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:46,679
do Greg admitted that he made a mistake

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01:46:44,039 --> 01:46:49,960
you guys did not listen to the rationale

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01:46:46,679 --> 01:46:52,399
behind it um but anyway let's not

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01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:54,960
pretend this process was fair these

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01:46:52,399 --> 01:46:57,839
resolution were drafted

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01:46:54,960 --> 01:47:00,359
in these resolutions that are in the

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packet were drafted in

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secret there was no open

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01:47:04,238 --> 01:47:08,959
discussion no input from all the board

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01:47:07,319 --> 01:47:13,559
members that was

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01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:16,399
tonight and worse the AC the accusations

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01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:18,280
so when Dean and Greg and Chris found

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out about these guess when they found

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01:47:18,279 --> 01:47:25,479
out about them when they opened up when

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01:47:22,198 --> 01:47:27,799
they saw the the packet published

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online that's when they saw that they

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were going to be

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censured pardon

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me sorry um

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01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:44,560
so the accusations are vague which was

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01:47:42,118 --> 01:47:46,479
pointed out they're based on

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01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:49,000
feelings and

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probably and a list of Ethics that

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01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:53,560
doesn't

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01:47:51,359 --> 01:47:55,238
exist so how does does this decision

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01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:57,679
build trust in the board and how does it

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serve the residents of Tyrone Township

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01:47:57,679 --> 01:48:02,079
this centure isn't about accountability

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01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:04,960
it's about control and the message

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01:48:02,079 --> 01:48:07,000
you've sent tonight is that speaking up

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and challenging the status quo will not

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be

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tolerated but let you me remind you the

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residents who voted for Greg Dean and

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01:48:12,719 --> 01:48:17,840
Chris did so because they wanted change

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they wanted leadership that would stand

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up for transparency accountability and

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fairness and tonight those same

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01:48:22,399 --> 01:48:27,359
residents are

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watching and so the people in fact two

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01:48:27,359 --> 01:48:35,000
on the board here tonight who were

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01:48:30,158 --> 01:48:37,679
especially one Herman continually in

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01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:41,399
contact with me a resident who has

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01:48:37,679 --> 01:48:44,118
spoken out for almost four

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years calling me and asking me what is

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01:48:44,118 --> 01:48:50,679
on the agenda tonight what should I say

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01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:54,039
I don't understand the

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01:48:50,679 --> 01:48:58,000
agenda yeah Sarah you know that that and

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01:48:54,039 --> 01:49:00,279
Sarah calling me and telling me and

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01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:02,719
texting me and telling me things about

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01:49:00,279 --> 01:49:05,079
the Planning Commission and you think

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01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:07,840
all all of you you think that she hasn't

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01:49:05,079 --> 01:49:10,000
said stuff about you and want you gone

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01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:11,480
too I would love to show my text

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01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:13,560
messages you know Sarah I keep

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01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:16,638
everything from day one got it all you

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01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:18,039
do like to weaponize it no no it's for

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01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:20,800
the truth and

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01:49:18,039 --> 01:49:23,560
transparency that's all it's for truth

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01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:27,760
and transparency so I'm going going to

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01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:29,960
ask that the same I'll finish my thought

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01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:32,039
I'll finish my

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01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:35,000
thought can I finish my thought without

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01:49:32,039 --> 01:49:37,960
the heckling please quickly okay quickly

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01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:37,960
I'm going to

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01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:44,159
ask let me finish please this isn't fair

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01:49:41,719 --> 01:49:48,319
bring to order I am come

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01:49:44,158 --> 01:49:51,839
on come on just let her finish really I

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01:49:48,319 --> 01:49:55,118
am going to ask that the board consider

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01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:58,079
putting Sarah dolman Jersey on for

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01:49:55,118 --> 01:50:01,399
discussion next board meeting to find

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01:49:58,079 --> 01:50:05,238
out and to talk about is it appropriate

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01:50:01,399 --> 01:50:09,198
for a board member to go on public radio

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and discuss her fellow board members and

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01:50:09,198 --> 01:50:18,000
disparage them okay okay I'm asking that

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you do that thank you she did quiet come

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01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:21,840
on come on

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is there anybody else

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01:50:26,599 --> 01:50:33,960
yes hel yes

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01:50:30,359 --> 01:50:36,960
hel I just want to make a quick comment

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quiet I've been watching this I've been

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01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:45,279
coming to meetings all the time all I

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01:50:40,719 --> 01:50:49,279
tell you guys this is fight us against

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01:50:45,279 --> 01:50:52,960
us and please they needs to stop stop

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01:50:49,279 --> 01:50:55,559
acting like children build up be

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01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:57,760
transparent we have to think about other

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01:50:55,560 --> 01:51:00,639
people who are coming to our Township

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01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:02,560
and trying to put that dirty p on our

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01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:07,319
Township and ruin

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01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:10,039
us laning Washington big Corporation

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01:51:07,319 --> 01:51:13,559
everybody's coming and trying to ruin us

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01:51:10,039 --> 01:51:15,920
we have to fight them not with us please

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01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:19,580
stop doing that's right you are right

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01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:26,229
helina thank you

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01:51:19,579 --> 01:51:26,229
[Applause]

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anybody

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01:51:31,279 --> 01:51:37,118
else okay dur the meeting all right I'm

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01:51:34,599 --> 01:51:41,039
looking for a motion to adjourn got a

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01:51:37,118 --> 01:51:41,039
motion support

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[Music]

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[Music]

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[Music]

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yeah the only people the only

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people thank you

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[Music]

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[Music]

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know

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[Music]

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[Music]

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01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:55,400
yes

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01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:10,440
yes couple off the floor that's what

2354
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:10,439
happens

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01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:24,958
right oh I'm sorry

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[Music]

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do